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Episode 99 · 4 months ago

WHIPLASH (2014) Discussion

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Edited by Trent Algayer

Good evening, ladies and gentle man. We are tonight's entertainment. Hold on our married one to three, four, two, three, four, one, two, three. Now. Was I rushing or was I dragging? Was He a dead body? I'M COM food. Get away from her, you bitch. What's in the box? Hold onto your butts. As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster. Sorry, my mom. To Trent Hi, hello, let's just restart. Let's just restart. What's your mom texting? Nothing, nothing, just liked an image, Trent. Part we have a lot of topics to discuss. We have this podcast together. That's one of them. Yeah, should we? Should we use it as a platform to discuss the important things, or the movie of the week this week, or what we ate? I'd say all of it, Um, but I guess we should just start off by saying this is going to be releasing like three weeks late, but I'm going on a trip to India and so we have to record essentially three episodes before I go on that trip, because I won't be able to record for that period of time, but as of recording today. This is so fucking weird to be I feel like I'm reporting on this, Um, the Supreme Court. As of recording. The Supreme Court returned. Yeah, overturned. I. Yes, good, bad news. Yeah, I guess just to state our position, this is pretty terrible. Yeah, no part I think you speak for the both of us. Yeah, I'M gonna go out on a on a limb. So I think it's bad too. It's I said before that it's weird to discuss a movie of almost exclusively man Um on a day like today. Um, yeah, I mean the pod goes on, I guess. Yeah, maybe America Falls, but craft services will continue. Tomorrow we have to discuss top gun, which is like it supports the military industrial complex. And oh Jesus, I didn't even think about that. Wow, happy. Yeah. Well, we're kind of going about this very backwards, aren't we, because the top gun interview or the top gun discussion is coming out as a recording day after tomorrow. We still haven't discussed that. This is the last thing coming out and recording this first. Well, this is round about, but nonetheless. Um, apparently, if you're in a lot of states you can't get an abortion anymore, which like low key. Well, I mean not low key. It sucks. Um, high, quite high key. Um, I guess the only things we could say is like yeah, you know. Um, as of right now, I think there's only three states with trigger laws that actually immediately effectively end abortion. So, but it's all like the lay mass states, like Louisiana, South Dakota or something. I saw the map and it's all the fly. It's all the fly over country, including Utah, which I feel personally insulted by, even though that it's mostly Mormon. So I I see where they're coming from. Um, I guess just if you are, I mean everyone's affected by this, but if you are personally affected by this, you know this feels lame. But like, I guess we're on your side, like you, we're rooting for you, and you know it would feel weird to record today and not mention it in any capacity. As the debate about abortion continues, alternative ways of getting one are also becoming a part of the conversation. Plans C is an organization that helps women gain access to abortion pills that can be used without having to go to a clinic. News late filmonic computer has talked with the group's Co founder about its work and laying the groundwork for these over the counter pills. Abortion pills have been used in the US since two thousand but with the uncertainty of row versus Wade, women are taking another look at using these pills to terminate pregnancy. Plan C is a hub of information about how to find abortion pills by mail. Plan C was launched in two sixteen as a web based guide to getting abortion pills and self managed abortion in the United States. Plan C does not provide abortion pills, but works with aid access dot org, based in the Netherlands, to serve around a thousand people each month.

We have seen a dramatic increase in demand for information about how to get abortion pills, particularly after September one, when SP eight went into effect in Texas. Abortion pills are considered prescription medication in the US and, with the growing use of telemedicine, a visit to the clinic isn't needed to get them. Some states even allow telemedicine services to mail the pills directly to the person's address. Yeah, Um, there's not. There's nothing particularly funny about this. You know, there's no like I feel like when we recorded. Do you remember when we were? I don't even remember what episode it was. You know what it might have been? It might have been about lockdown, fucking locked down. I think while we were recording that, the January six insurrection that was happening. Yeah, I know that. Any the timeline of that sounds roughly about right, and that that was like like obviously awful and terrible, but like while recording, being like maybe America's follow falling as we do this like that, as we're discussing as we're discussing lockdown, but like this is this is significantly less funny. Having the pod through, I guess, several years by this point and existing in a turbulent time in American history. It's like we can track these important inflection points through our episodes and it always seems to come at the most absurd times, like during the lockdown discussion or during the whiplast, during the whiplast discussion. Yeah, I imagine we'll probably mention something tomorrow about this. Well, are tomorrow, you're two weeks ago. Um Exactly. Really, this is like interstellar. It's like the timelines are all fucked Um. anyways, what I was gonna ask you, but I had we went out for Tye yesterday and I had left over drunken noodles. Had that, what about you? I just said, a surprisingly moist and Nice Blueberry Muffin for trigger Joe's and some leftover second day coffee from simply chry and it was mediocre yesterday and then today. Maybe my taste buds are just desperate, but I was like, why is this better today now that all the ice is melted? Because that's awesome. You think it'd be watered down and bad? Al Right, well, alright, well, let's let's just cue the intro. Part. America's in a downroad spiral and you're laughing. What are you gonna do to stop it? Make a bunch of strongly worded tweets? Are you posting infographic? Are you tearing up twitter right now? I kind of am. Is the Internet shaking? Wait, I retweeted a tweet that gives away Brett Kavanaugh's home address. This is making it in the edit. Par marathe, no, no, no, Marat part I'm all over that ship. It's only gonna let me look at a few and then it's gonna cut me off. What? Because I don't have twitter, and so when you just look at it, you'd like scroll for a little while and it's like get twitter, bitch. I think it might have been recently enough. Why are you saying Peter Brown? Because it's his fault? How? Oh, because he had he had a soup. He had a super majority in two thousand eight or two thousand nine. Didn't do anything with it except for passing Obamacare, which ended up getting repealed kind of anyways. Then didn't wasn't able to push RBJ too retire. She should have retired Um, and didn't push Merrick Garland all while he was in president. He had all three. He had the house, the Senate and the executive branch. Didn't get anything done, lost at all within two years and then basically didn't get anything done for six years except to pass gay marriage, which is now also going to be overturned because of all the things he didn't do, is gay marriage and we returned. That seems so crazy. That's that. That's that's what Clarence Thomas said, that they're going after three things next. They're going after contraceptives, same sex UM protect the same sex relationship protections, as in gay sex, and Um, gay marriage. That's the next three things. Thereafter it's not the people. I mean the people suck but like people want this evil people. Dude. Yeah, finality of evil. Isn't...

...that? The Holocaust book about like just following orders, or it's about the it was like the the the case, the Nuremberg. No, I'm just saying number trials. No, you're right. Well, I mean the finality of evil that comes from that. But, like, it's true. People try to like make Nazis and things like Mythic, like, uh, well, like like like it's some crazy evil that has never been seen before or since, and that's simply not true. anyways. Right, okay, dragging, just a hair wait from like you. Seven, mm HMM, rushing, six, dragging. Why do you suppose? I just hurled a chair at your head and even I don't know. True, you do the temper. Were you rushing or were you dranking? I don't know. Start counting, six and four, damn it. Look at me. One two three, two three, one three. Was I rushing or was I ragging? Again? One two three, one two three, one to three, Russian or dragging? Russian? So you do know the difference? If you deliberately sabotage my band, I will fuck you like a pig. Now, are you a rusher or are you a dragger or are you gonna be on my fucking time? You'RE gonna be on your time. What does that say? Quarter note equals caught me a two fifteen. Two fucking Christ I didn't know they allowed rechards into shaffer. Am I to understand that? You cannot read tempo. Can you even read music? What is that? Yes, what is that? Site? Read Measure One, Oh, one, the fucking acapella group. Play the Goddamn Kit. Now answer my question. Were you rushing or were you dragging? That's are Russian. All right, we want's talk about the movie. Welcome back to craft services, where we talk about the movies and occasionally the State of American politics. Each week we talked about a film and hopefully a crew member of that film to talk with us about their experience working on the picture. Last week we talked with Melanie Jones, production designer of the purge insidious, the last key in our movie today, whip lash, which was she cool. I really enjoyed the interview, didn't you? I had a good time. So part whip lash this week, one of like the greatest movies of the past ten years. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What's your name and your name in Sir. You know who I am. Yes, sir, so you know I'm looking for players. Yes, sir, do your best. You're here for a reason. I believe that right. I'm here for a reason. Little trouble there. You're rushing. Ready, okay, six and were you rushing or were you dranking? I don't know. If you deliberately sabotage my band, I will cut you like a pig. Oh my dear God, are you one of those single tear people? His opinion means a lot to you. Don't yeah, I will push people beyond what's expected. I believe that is an absolute necessity. You won't be able to give me a time a day because you have bigger things to pursue. That's exactly my point. You are a worthless,...

...friendless piece of ship whose Mommy left Daddy, who was now weeping and slopping all over my drum set like I'm nine year old girl. Start practicing harder, demon why would you let him get away with what he did to you? Because I want to be great. Are you a rusher or are you a dragger? Or are you gonna be on my time's gonna be on your time. Keep playing, keep playing, keep playing, something like that. Yeah, I mean not to spoil our eventual thoughts, but we like this movie. Yeah, Um, maybe one of my top ten. If you were to ask me on the street my name ten movies I love, this might be one of them. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty good. Um, in fact, it's so good I think I might give a ten word synopsis on it. Oh, okay, so don't look at the just can continue making eye contact with me. Do not look at the document. Describe the film and ten words naming has abusive teacher but loves to drum a lot. Okay, so you, Um, you got the general point across and then you kind of wasted your last couple of words. But I mean, like, what could I even put in those two words? According to the well, a lot. Is that one word or two words? It's I believe there's a space between a and a lot. I could be wrong. WHO's to say? Well, according to the Internet, it reads a promising young drummer and rolls at a cutthroat music conservatory, where his dreams of greatness are mentored by an instructor who will stop nothing to realize the student's potential. The budget is three point three million dollars and the box office is forty nine million dollars, and I guess made money off that. They did. Um, and I was just watching the student film, I mean I don't know if you can call it a student film, but the short version of whiplash before this. Have you watched that recently? Yeah, it's so interesting to compare. But like that feels like a student film, and so like the jump to this, and since they're made within a close period of time, it's pretty crazy. Yeah, I guess we should just get into how the movie was made. But in history, perhaps? Sure, just, I guess. Well, I could say this for the fun facts, but since we just said the box office, apparently this is the low grossing movie to Ever Be Nominated for best picture. Interesting, with million did moon light? It's not budget, it's box office, and I think box I know, but didn't that make less? I could be wrong. Oh yeah, I am wrong. It costs. It made sixty five million dollars. Part was wrong for the first time on air. Everyone, I did excite to see hide your kids, hide your wife. anyways, while attending Princeton High School, Damien Chazelle was, in a quote, very competitive jazz band and drew on the dread he felt in those years. He based the conductor, terrence Fletcher, on his former band instructor who died in two thousand and three and added elements of other band leaders, such as buddy rich, who were known for their harsh treatment. He initially wrote the film what Damien Chazelle's mom works at T C and J, which is show Sophia Lexus to school, and my sister, also before our time, told me that and I was very impressed when I went there because on my college tours um I visited their communications department and they were trying to get us to join and they were like, and this was right after Lala land was really famous, and they were like, Damien l came here, just give a talk. His mom teaches you guys, and I was like that's cool and all, but I'm going to go to rutgers. Damienes I went to Harvard, which makes me feel bad about my princeton but yeah, did he? Yeah, I think in listening to the commentary he said something about going to Harvard. But maybe I'm crazy, but didn't he grow up in Princeton? He did at least that's what I understand. Wait, no, you're right. It says Alma Mater Harvard. But wait, wow, this is a Trent Trent Day College. Oh sorry, he went to he went to Princeton High School. Oh Wow,...

Trent, you're really showing me up today. Oh, okay, don't, don't, don't get too high. So so Damien Chazelle wrote the film initially in frustration while he was trying to get la land off the ground. Right of way films and blumhouse productions aided chazelle and turning fifteen pages of his original screenplay into a short film starring Johnny Simmons as Andrew Nehman and J K Simmons is Terence Fletcher. The eighteen minute short film received acclaim after debuting at Sundance Film Festival, winning the short film jury award for Fiction. This then attracted investors to produce a complete version of the script. The feature length film was financed Um the feature length film was then financed by both films with a three point three million dollar budget. In August, teen miles teller signed on to star in the main role, while J K Simmons remained attached to his original role she'Zelle told J K Simmons, quote, I want you to take it past what you think the normal limit would be. I don't want to see a human being on screen anymore. I want to see a monster, a gargoyle and animal. Many of the band members were real musicians or music students. Chazelle tried to capture their expressions of fear and anxiety when they were pressed by Simmons. Chazelle said that between takes Simmons was, quote, as sweet as can be, which he credits for keeping the shoot from being a nightmarish principal photography began in September. Filming took place throughout Los Angeles, including the Hotel Barclay, palace theater and orpheum theater. A few exterior shots were filmed in New York City to create the setting. You can hear about that last week with Melanie Jones. The film was shot in seventeen days, with the schedule of fourteen hours of filming per day. A CHAZELLE was Chazelle was involved in a serious car accident in the third week of shooting and was hospitalized with a possible concussion, but returned to set the next day to finish the film on time. It's kind of insane and kind of ironic because the film he was making. It's like teddy well, yes, due to the car crosh featured in the film, Um, and miles teller also, according in the research, he got in a serious car accident too, and you can see some of the scars on his face. Um. But it's like Teddy Roosevelt getting shot in the middle of his speech and then finishing the speech. It's like you gotta show up to set the next day even if you get shot. You know, the show goes on. Sacrifice your personal safety and health for art guys. That's what craft services is about. Yeah, in North America the film opened on a route. Okay, in North America the film opened in a limited release on October in six theaters, grossing a hundred thirty five thousand dollars and finishing thirty four at the box office. It then expanded to eighty eight locations and then fo nine locations. After three months on release, it had earned seven million dollars. It then expanded nationwide to a thousand theaters to capitalize on receiving five academy award nominations, including Best Picture and best adapted screenplay. It was a region. Speaking of the Oscars, it was originally planned to compete for the Academy Award for best original screenplay, but was later announced to be competing in the adapted screenplay category instead, to the surprise of Damien Chazelle. As that they were trying to say that the movie was based on the short film, but the short film was based on the original fully completed script. So it's a whole chicken and egg thing. At the Seven Academy Awards, J K Simmons, one best supporting actor, received the Oscar for that and Tom Cross won the Academy Award for best film editing. Craig man, Ben Wilkins and Thomas Curley also won the Academy Award for Best Sound Mixing. Trent, give me some fun facts? Sure, yeah, I saw in the research that in J K Simmons winning, Um, the best supporting actor Oscar, he played that character for like two weeks and that Ethan Hawk, who was also nominated, played his character for twelve years in boyhood and that's pretty bothered that he won. Yeah, yeah, okay, so some fun facts. The studio originally gave Damien Chazelle a note saying, quote, he's good at drumming. We get it in an attempt to try and take out the ending drum solo. Chazelle disagreed and kept the drum solo in the film. I feel like that note, it's just like trying like that's just someone in a bad mood and like now, that's that's just like a fundamental misunderstand that's probably somebody trying to make the movie shorter but not understanding like how movies work, and so they're just giving an arbitrary note that this is a scene that goes on for a while, so we can probably cut...

...it down. But it's crazy that like just some studio executive in a chair somewhere that Nolan cares about is giving like notes like this and they can just be cranky and mean about like good material and then they end up on I amdob trivia or, if they're less lucky, then they get struck down, because you know that their their bad moods get in the way of actual decisions. Um. So J K Simmons suffered two cracked ribs when miles seller tackled him during the last two days of shooting. Simmons managed to continue working despite his injury. Jason Reitman convinced doing and Chisel to cut a scene involving Fletcher's sitting alone in his apartment after Andrew's first studio band class. And I saw that. They said because Andrew is currently in every scene of the movie and it's like basically told through his perspective, so it would be basically weird to have one scene that didn't we talked about this last week. Yeah, we do. Um, the film was one of the I shared that already. Um, the film was shot, edited and submitted into Sundance. In ten weeks. The screenplay for this film was featured in the blacklist of the most liked unmade scripts of the year. Um, though, she received top billing for her performance, and it's the fourth casts member to be listed in the end credits. Melissa Benoist has less than ten minutes of total screen time. Um, we can hear the Voice of Director Damon Chizelle Screaming Tanner when Carl Tanner is arguing with Andrew due to the loss of his music folder. I heard that today and I thought it was supposed to be Fletcher, but it just sounded that's what I yeah right. Um, in real life Joe Jones never threw a symbol. He dropped on the floor gonging Charlie Parker, um the equivalent of the modern buzzing someone off. I only included that because they talked about it like twice in the dialogue. Um Dandhan turned down the role of Andrew. That's, I think, a good decision. I didn't know who that was or if or if that's real, but he played the Green Goblin Jr. And Amazing Spider man too, which is not a good movie. Both Miles Style and J K Simmons Portrays Comic Book Characters and Marvel Film. Uh Simmons, says, J Jo and Jamison, as well as Commissioner Gordon in what in the Justice League? I didn't I didn't see that movie. And then miles teller as read richards and Mr Fantastic in the bad fantastic four movie. And then it also said that for stick, if you will. Yeah, and then also the most of an always played supergirl on TV, and I was like, Oh, maybe she was like kind of famous for a minute there, but what? What network is that on? Like C W? Yeah, like, I don't care. Like, did you ever care about like the Arrow or any of that bullshit? Um, I never got into Arrow. I stand by the fact that flash season one is good, Um, and then after that it kind of devolves into things I don't care about. Speaking of what's Ezra Miller's status legally are is he on the run? Are they on the run? We don't know what they're but they're up to we again as a recording. By this point it who knows what will happened really, because remember a few weeks ago and when they were just in Hawaii and they were just like getting disgruntled at a bar and I was like, yeah, you know what happens in why stays and why? But also now, also, they're reportedly on the run with like an eighteen year old um who says that they are they feel safe with Um Ezra Miller, but you know, they're eighteen and they are also housing a young mother with three kids. I remember a few at a farm a few years ago, someone showed me like a weird video of Ezra Miller like kind of like pushing someone and then like children like choking them. Yeah, that happened and I was like what's this and it just seemed like its so artificial, but now it makes perfect sense, like, given all this other information, they seem like an interesting individual. Why you're phrasing that so nicely. Sure, Um, so the title of the film refers to many things. The jazz piece Andrew Learner performed with Fletcher's band, a common neck injury from car accidents, which you see in the movie, the beating of a drum similar to the cracking or lashing of a whip, and the EC stuffer is under Fletcher. And I read the fact that Andrew only successfully makes it through two full songs in the movie, and its whiplash and Caravan, Um, which are both really good songs. And on the soundtrack, Um, and the soundtrack of this movie, while we're here. I mean the whole movie is a music movie, but what Jazzy, sexy fun it's. It's quite good. I've really I got. I watched this movie in like eighth grade and that was like my ship for a while. This soundtrack, yeah, I don't...

...blame you. and Um like the colors. It's just like nice and Moody and the momentum of the film just like all of it flowing down. I'm getting M I'll chew you in three MM HM. So your Pifi Um. So for our first one star review, we're going with L who says this is a quote, very artsy movie. okay, acting in all caps, terrible ending, typical sun dance artiness with no real substance. This movie brings you through an incredibly difficult time in a in parentheses, fictional drummer's life. You expect redemption for all of his hard work, but he just ends up nearly killing himself for his abusive conductor. I feel like she's almost there. That's like a mystery of the ending. What do you mean? She like like it's a complete misreading, but like like she explains what the point of the movie is and then goes. But that's why it's bad and it's like like it's supposed to be that he nearly kills himself. But also, how can you walk away from this movie and be like, yeah, the acting was okay, I don't know. What does very art what does very artsy movie mean? I I feel like especially, I mean like I don't I can't speak to elves Um Iet of film, but I feel like in the last few years the threshold for what is considered artsy is like anything that's not like two million dollars, because, like, while, like this is a very cheap movie, but like this is not like difficult to comprehend or understand. I would say this is like most people could watch this movie and get it. It's like not abstract at all in any way. It's a very linear it's not it's not even told out of order or something. It's not like memento fiction. Oh yeah, okay, but like it's not. It's it's it's a very normal narrative fiction film. Why is l getting mad at this being about a fictional drummer? I mean, I know there's a bunch of people that are like pissed that this isn't an accurate representation of drumming, but like what? Like people get pissed because they're like, well, this isn't actually how jazz instructional spaces work, but this is a based on,...

I mean, like the director's own experience. B is clearly a dramatization. When you watch a few good men, like that's not exactly what a courtrooms like, but like it's kind of what it's like. It's just like all the action parts. It's it's it's also just like this is well made and entertaining and unless you are a drummer and are like yeah, I could notice it exact the prefects like fuck you, you know. Yeah, but also like so much of the drumming is real and miles teller is like an experienced drummer and he went through like a lot of training. So I'd rather. I mean there there's there's a lot of parts where, like you can tell that the music is not matching up to what they're playing. But like, again, you have to really be paying attention. I noticed that today. I was like the people are playing the buttons and or they're pushing the buttons and the people are strumming the strings. But I was like they could be like if you look to anyone person, like does this match up? Like but at the same time it doesn't matter, because it doesn't, because you don't notice it unless you until someone, until someone mentions it, I would never have noticed it. You know, anyways, trying. You want to give us David Helms Yeah, David Helms Review. He says it's titled Demonic Bastard and it says all narcissistic m efforts like this instructor should be put down like a sick animal. I will be more than happy to volunteer my services to whack everyone of these m efforts. These people are demonic. So he doesn't seem to hate the movie. He seems to hate the antagonists of the film. Yeah, keyword antagonist. You're clearly not meant to side with this guy. What if? What if you watch spider man and you were like one star the Green Goblins, super mean. It'd be like watching the dark knight and being like, I don't think the world should bury you know. So this is from Jeff. David Helms threatened to kill people. He said that anyone who behaves like this, and good on him, I guess. You know. Do you think he was the interaction? So this is from Jeff and it says had no idea I bought this. I haven't seen it since I had no idea. I bought it. Yes, and the other thing I found funny is that three people found this helpful. Like, like, even if you did buy something accidentally, like, you can write a negative review about Amazon as a service, but why are you taking out on whiplash of the movie? Yeah, it's it's truly it's it's interesting for sure. But you know what else is interesting? Trying to the home of the week this week, awesome nomination film. I feel like asking the second half. I feel like asking the second half of this question is a little moot. But what's working and what's not working? Um, when it's working, the inserts, so many beautiful inserts of people playing instruments and sure, extreme close ups. And also that's why people like whiplash, the inserts and the close ups, and also JK Simmons. I mean you can, I mean, like I said before, like you can watch the short film version and if not for J K Simmons, it would just be a really good short film. But like or it really it would be a really good student film. But then when you're watching with J K Simmons, it like it puts it in a new league. It's it's shocking that this movie was shot for three point three million dollars and in seventeen days and like it looks so much better and like feels so much better than like most other movies that I've seen, you know, like Um. I think Damien Chisel has a really good grasp on like film language and how to Um use it to convey a mood which I don't think comes across as well in the short. I mean like it's it's a well done short but, like you said, it kind of feels like a student film, as opposed to this, where it has such like Moody Lighting, and you mentioned the inserts and the close ups and everything, and I feel like everything in this movie. When I think of this movie, I think of it as like like a like a perfectly like mechanized like like a clockwork machine, where everything is correctly and mechanically put together to make you feel the way it wants you to feel and it's like perfect in every way. Wow, I left Trent to the loss for words, I...

...guess. No, I just had a thought and then I forgot it. No, mad at myself. Oh remember during the interview when when Melanie Jones said that like she saw the shore and was like this is like very bright. We should like make things darker, like it's crazy how we talked to the person who made whiplashed dark as dark, as as dark as it is here today. Because, I mean, I was embarrassed to say it on the air, to use this overused reference, but I was like this is pretty taxi driver ry and there are a lot of Greens and oranges going on here. But she seemed to like that. She was she's okay with that with that comparison. Yeah, I think this movie it's it's like a perfect script and a perfect execution of that script. Like I think that, like every everything in the movie is essential and I'm really glad at one editing, for at the it won the Oscar for editing at the cuts because is so interesting and fun and fast. Yeah, but I mean it lets I feel like it's always kind of like throwing you off balance, where sometimes it will let a shot last like a little bit longer than you think it's gonna last or should last maybe conventionally, and then other times it's like really like quick in the way that it's cutting, and I feel like they know again, it's I feel like Damian Chisel just has a good idea of how to use the form of the movie to make you feel the way the main character is feeling, if that makes sense. What are his other movies? La La Land and high life? Am I crazy? No, not. Not. High Life, the first man, first man. Those two movies occupy the same space in my brain. Have you seen for man? I have, it's that it's really really good film. Yes, he did a short he did a short series for Netflix called Eddie where he directed two episodes and was like kind of the consulting producer, showrunner type figure for that show. Um, I haven't seen that, but his his last movie was first man, which is excellent, and his next movie is coming out later this year with starring Brad Pitt and Marco Robbie and Toby Maguire, whoa that's crazy. So I know you talked about this, like reading the script of this and how nice of an experience that is, and I haven't done that. But it's crazy because when I watched this I'm like, Oh, it's all the performances, even though the script is very snappy. But I envisioning this without J K Simmons. I'm sure it's hard for everyone, but also I think miles tyler is also like perf yeah, I mean I think obviously the acting is really, really good and it clearly I think J K Simmons is like the powerhouse performance in the movie and this movie would be a much lesser movie without him. And I think again, it's weird that they asked Dane to Han to be in it. Um, I feel like I can't see that. I feel like Johnny Simmons from this short makes more sense. Yeah, although I'm glad, I'm glad they didn't go with him. I feel like he's not right. Apparently he didn't actually play the drums. Well, I think that less less of that, but I think he has kind of like a softer I don't I don't know how to explain it. But like I was going to bring this up. Of like miles teller has like a weird presence in Hollywood where, like he's a star, but like I don't really know how to place him, because he's not like a Tom Cruise figure or something where, like he despite his proximity in top gun. Yeah, but like, but do you know what I mean? Like he isn't like, Oh, like he's he's the sexy, sexy one, like, but he's not like in the tabloids, I dare I say. But like, I think he has this interesting star personality and I think Damie Chisel knows how to use him in this movie. So I was watching, Um, I mean there's so many good scenes in this movie, but like the not my tempo, like throwing the chair. I know, like that's all adapted from the short, but it's like maybe the strongest it's. I mean that in the ending are like really hard to take your eyes off of, and like the before and after of the car crash scene, like him playing the drums will bloody. And also, do you know when, Um, it's the three drummers and every time they mess up he switches them. That's a good scene. Yeah, well, that seems like tough to watch. Yeah, anytime I...

...watched the movie it feels like it's going on for so long. Get up, what are you looking for? There's no pot of gold down there. Adjusting the seat really, that's been your fucking problem the whole time, the seat height. So now you have it right, Gob it's and the wait. The Green Shirt Guy, what's his name? Um, you can see him like breaking and he like looks like a robot when he's playing the drums and he's like malfunctioning. And then J K Simmons just has lines, get off go and it's pretty I fucking love when he starts playing the Cowbell. It's so like that's the other thing with J K Simmons and most of the stuff is in the writing. Like I feel like most people think that so much of the movie is ad lived and it's only one line is that lived, and it's the thing about him being a self righteous little prick. I read that in the research. I think what this movie does really well is kind of show an abusive personality and all the things that come along with it, because Fletcher from the beginning is like this weird shadowy figure and people are like, Oh, what's to deal with him? But they kind of want to be with him because he's powerful. And then he comes and he's like you, you're coming with me, even the first thing he does is funck with the other guy, with my sell. Well, what's so nice is that the whole movie you're going back and forth on like Oh, on the antagonist, and I feel like so rarely, Al Right, can you be like I feel like having like shocked moments where you're entirely inverted and then you do a one eighty, like doesn't happen that often. It happened so many times in terms of his Fletcher Nice Um. What I was gonna bring up was like they show him being like inviting and then they show him being like okay, like it's not a big deal. You're screwing up the tempo, but it's not a big deal. And then he blows up and then they show him like interacting with the little girl too. Yeah, that means like actually nice. And then he comes in and he's like what's up, cocksuckers? I feel like the easy version of this character is to show that he's all nice and cheery and you know whatever to everyone on the outside and then on the inside he's a complete monster. But that's not what they do with him, which I look and I like how he's not redeemed in the end but he like gets what he wants and that he's trying to like push someone to greatness and that like he's a bad guy and then we acknowledge that. But like, well, I was gonna say at the end, just because like that's how can we not talk about the end? But I love that they show, Um, I love the show miles teller smiling at him at the end and then, because you only see J K Simmons Eyes, well, you see him smiling too, like you see his eyes but like yeah, you know, but you see, you know that he's smiling, but but the reason I love seeing miles teller smiling is again, I think this whole movie is kind of it's really good at showing abusive relationship where by the end he's screwed over miles teller so much and then myles teller has this great drum solo and then miles teller thinks, I got did this drum solo kind of because of Fletcher, like, which is what I assume by watching, by seeing him smile Um again. I think that like that ending without that shot of him smiling is kind of like him. It's it's much less complicated because it's Oh, like he shows Fletcher at the end, but instead you're left with this very complicated feeling that being on the same team for Oh God, yeah, like maybe now it isn't just a funk you, and then he's off to do his own thing, like this just might be great for a time. Exactly he wanted to be one of the the cost of being one of the greats? Like, does that have to include kind of your humanity or like, you know what I mean, like I don't know. I feel like that ending. It's much more complicated part. Do you want to die at thirty four full of heroin and direct movies that people talk about.

Or do one to remember you? Um, I'm okay if people don't remember me, I think so long as I can work. You know, I actually I had this question posed by one of my friends in high school, Kyle Van Landingham, if he's listening from friend off the show. He had asked me in high school once like would you if it meant it took ten years off your life? Would you choose taking ten years off your life but you become a very successful person, Hollywood director? Um, would you do it? And I think I said yes. But then another hypothetical he posed was would you rather die? Essentially the same hypothetical of would you rather die at Um, okay, would would you rather die at like forty, but everybody says that your movies are amazing, like Kubrick level, like they change film and everything, but people say that you're a monster and they hated working with you? Or would you rather be kind of successful, be Steven Spiel but have Steven Spielberg mentality? Wait, what in the way that you're nice on set but you're not Steven Spielberg level famous? Sure, yeah, but like, like people really love you. I wonder what you think. Trent, I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna be very famous at any point and I'm kind of okay with that. But I think in high school I wanted that. Doesn't everyone want it for a time. I don't think I ever really wanted to be famous, but I did. I did want it to be successful. Oh yeah, I mean, who's to say that you can't still be um? Yeah, but I mean I saw a quote, I mean not to get back on track, but I saw a quote from Damien Chizelle and or maybe it's by J K Simmons, about essentially like opening discussion for the end of the film and having it be inconclusive and that it just makes me think of like freshman ear film history class, of talking about do the right thing and just being like yeah, we wanted people to leave the theater and like talk about this, and I feel like that's like the only and best way to do it. Is What we've lashed it, I heard, encourage actual discussion. I mean, I think with this kind of movie, you know, I don't particularly want to go into top gun maverick and come out with like really questioning, you know, the morals of the military complex. You know, like, I don't know, like, like there's a certain kind of movie where I think, like those are movies meant to you go in and have a good time. But if you're making a movie that's about like, well, is it okay to treat people awfully if it's in the service of art? Is it okay to want that's the key, you know, like that's not or like the exchange of suffering for your art. Yeah, I think clearly the movie doesn't think that you should treat people awfully, but it it does pose, it does pose kind of an an interesting dilemma for people that are incredibly invested and incredibly passionate about what they do. Is, is it worth destroying a part of yourself to get to that point and sacrificing your other relationships not to be the adult in the room? Like like, and I think that if you make a movie that's about those kinds of topics, having it end with like a didactic kind of this is right, this is the correct this is the answer is it would have been like a disservice to what the movie is trying to go for, because there isn't there's no correct correct answer. There's there's you know, you shouldn't treat people. I'm on the side that you should not treat people badly, regardless of whether you're trying to make great art, good art, whatever. Um, and you should. I think people should be well functioning human beings outside of their art or whatever they do. Um. Having said that, like, you know, we're in film school and it becomes difficult because people expect you to kind of you know, they ask you to. I mean the film industry works asked you to work crazy long hours and to like kill yourself over not that much pay, and you know, you get yelled at on set and all this ship, and so it's it's a difficult to the two most harmful words and English language a good job, you know. Yeah, you want to know the awful thing? When I was in when I saw this movie the first time, I was like yeah, no, like he sucks, Buddy's right. Yeah, I mean, I know...

...you said that you like a lot of the Fletcher quotes, but you can't say a lot of them because they use words that were allowed in and no longer allowed eight years later. No, I only like one. I only like one specific quote where I'm like that's so funny the way he delivers it, but it's like it's like a truly awful thing to say. And it's the thing he says about the calculator. Why would you give it to an Emon? Right, you get a calculator to a fucking retard, he's gonna try to turn on a TV with him. I'll get your sticks and get your rest on stage. But and and your and Mars Bar was it was your twitter header for a while now it was. There's no fucking Mars bar down there. I thought it was funny. Is there any point in talking about what didn't work in this movie, because it's so good? I think this is one of the rare perfect movies. Jackson Clark regularly has only seen this movie once. Four time guests of the show, so you'd think that we'd respect his opinion. But he's seen this movie only once and he argues that the most of annoyance subplot should be cut from the movie and has nothing to do with anything. And so I'm just going to I mean, that's just like absolutely like an like a dogshit stupid reading Um doesn't mean it's good. Yeah, well, again it's. It's it's showing that he has the capacity to have a life outside this and too, you know this girl and he he goes on this date and it's a seeing that date gives a good reading for who he is as a person, because he's on the state and all he can talk about kind of is initially is he's like, Oh, they've got good music here, and like he's going. You see that he's awkward and that he you know, he's just a little bit off or not focused on what's happening. Is like a little stiff, like, I don't know, in the short Johnny Simmons seemed a little bit more like timid, but but miles cellar is just more like stiff. Yeah, and you see that like this could be but like by the end it's like good because they kind of are able to connect on the fact that they both feel kind of lonely in the city and alone and whatever, and so it could be the start of something. And then you see that he like fucks it up, like really terribly in the way that he breaks up with her and you see in her going like you you think, I'm like some ditzie girl that's like doesn't know what's going on. Doesn't really have a future. I would hold you back, and him saying yes to that kind of shows you where he's at. So I think saying that that whole sub it's not a subplot, it's the movie. Like this isn't a movie with subplots, it's kind of like it. I mean you're kind of right about that. Um, it's kind of one continue your stream of consciousness. But Um, that's like his emotional, like low point in terms of him treating other people poorly. Exactly, because I want to be great and you're not. I want to be one of the greats and I would stop you from doing that. Yeah, you know I would stop you from doing that. You know that for a fact. Yes, and I'd barely see you anyway. Yeah, and when I did see you, you treat me like ship because I'm just some girl who doesn't know what she wants and you have a path and you're going to be great and I'm going to be forgotten and therefore you won't be able to give me the time a day because you have bigger things to pursue. That's exactly my point. The Fund is wrong with you. You're right, we should have to do and then him asking once he's finally alone and it's like, Oh, I've got this one GIG and he asks her like Oh, would you come to that? It's really awkward. That whole relationship. The only relationships that you see outside of his school is with his dad and with Melissa Benoist and with his dad. His Dad clearly cares for him and there's that whole thing. But with her you see the consequences of like you, you can be this incredibly highly focused, highly like kind of fucking on person all the time about whatever you love, but that will have consequences. You won't get the girl. You know, your girlfriend. You break up with her, you can't just get her back when you want her. She's probably dating somebody else and probably pissed at you for how you and then talked to her. The new boyfriend doesn't like jazz, apparently. Yeah, like,...

I don't know. Like. I think that's saying that that shouldn't be in the movie. is to discredit and not understand what the movie is trying to say and show about obsessive the obsessive nature of trying to be great at art or at anything really. I'm not a la La land hater. But this movie is better than Lalla land. I think it's it's unfair to compare these because they're quite different in what they're trying to accomplish. But yeah, I prefer this La land. There are two movies that have like featured music by the same director, compared to guess, but like, I don't know, they're not like the same really at all, other than featuring jazz and being the same director, even just stylistically. This movie is very different. Um, we've been crazy to follow land one best picture. Remember that almost happened. Accidentally, it did and then it didn't. Well, I mean it didn't happen, it just I know it almost happened. You know, you know. Um, should we talk shoot? Is there nothing to say and what's not working? Should we just enter the reading squallet, I mean try to try to try to bring something bad to the surface. Can you think of anything? Can You? Can you play the jeopardy theme song while we try to think of something? The the car crash. Is that like the only C G I in the movie? Like a few frames before he gets hit. I'm sure they're CG of it looks weird because the camera stays there and it clips. Well, yeah, that that's the only noticeable CG in the film, but I don't think it's bad. It's just noticeable upon me watching this move like the tenth time. Sure we can say that the crash is the one. I guess that's the one, like pushing reality just a little bit, that he'd be able to like run. Doesn't Ryan Connolly, like the Irish guy, have such, or Johnny Utah have such? Doesn't have such a punchable face? It's like so perfect. He does. That's okay. Yeah, the movie. The casting director should have been paid overtime for this movie. Do you know when it's like he comes in and Fletcher was like you know each other right, and he's like yeah, South Andrew, you know. I don't know. It's just like so many of the lines, and this is so funny and UH and M and saying turn my pages, bitch. I can play that. You turn my page is pitched up. There's so many. There's so many lines in this movie. Give me one. Um well again, like uh, the one that always gets a laugh out of me, out of just like this, like should not be funny. This is not. This is horrible, but it's it's when Um the is it? Tanner? Yeah, tanner UM loses the or gives it to Niemen and then Niemon loses it and then Um, he goes, I can't, I I lost Nieven lost the folder and he's like what do you mean? Niemen lost the folder. He's like, I gave him the Um, but gave him the folder and he lost it. He goes why? Why did you give it to him? If you give a if you give a calculator to a our slur, he'll try to turn on the fucking TV with it and it's it's just it's the most awful thing, but like it's the way he delivers it is so funny. And the other the other funny thing is that it's Andrew Naiman. That's his name and everybody else calls him that, but the only person that calls him Nieman is Fletcher. Well, Damien Chezell said that intentional because he was like yeah, it's changed his name to get under a skin. It's it's in the script again. Another thing of like abusive personalities do that. It's like a form of control of like I'm not going to say your name correctly because fuck you again. What's another thing that I find funny. Um, all right, you're you're gonna add the clips of all these things happening right after they say that of course there's there's no fucking Mars bar down there. Um, that's funny. Um, I feel like his attack of all of the jazz band is like so full metal jacket. You know, yes, yeah, well, also, the other thing. It happens just before there's no fucking Mars bar down there. It's not really like a line, but again it's it's like his mannerisms when he's like we have an out of tune player and then maybe maybe a boat fluent mayor, and then and then he's like going through each oh,...

...wait, no, no, no, no, it's not during that. It's during, Um, the initial scene where he's like I want to see where he's in the not studio bands. At the beginning he's a Nassau. And then he's like going through each player and he goes like, let's just see if you're in second you're in second chair, should mean you're cute. Let's just should mean you're good. Let's just let's hear if you're here just because you're cute. And then he's like, Yep, okay, it's just so funny. I was just gonna branp that exact thing, but since you did, I'll say when he comes in and he like flips through their music and he just looks it for a while and he goes cute. It's so funny. It's like such a Dick move, like it's so funny, though, his head just looks like so vainy, like the whole movie. He just looks like so muscular and scary, and I noticed that that like the movie begins and ends with him like taking his jacket off, you know. Yeah, Oh, another thing. Um, when I was in high school I had a friend who was um gay and we both found the Mr Gay pride of the Upper West sideline funny. Unfortunately, we are not serving COSMO COSMOPOLITANS and Baked Alaska's. Anyway, it's fine, you're just going you're's going off. All right, fuck, find the fucking folder. What don't fuck? What don't fuck? Can you even read music? Yeah, if you, if you deliberately stop at touching my band, I will fuck you like a pig. Yeah, UM, alright. So should we answer the rating scarlet and get out of here? Yeah, I think it's time. So I think a n wait, a nuclear bombers fell my game. I'm going on in baked wait, I don't. I went to a live line fridge. I'm like the image. Are you gonna walk out? Are you gonna come out of it and look at the explosion from afar? From Afar, Indian Jones was so close to the to the he'd be dead. He'd be dead before they reached the Kingdom of the crystal skull. So, Um, should we just like like yes, this movie. I'd recommend it. It's awesome. Yes, ten out of ten. Or what? What's the other one? Rate You rewatchable? Yes, I've watched it during for the interview. Just watch it again today to brush up. It's awesome. It's the ultimate like on in the background, like I can kind of watch this and there's really good music and it's really attractive sort of movie. Yeah, it's rewatchable. I definitely recommend this. It's a ten out of ten. Is this like my third ten out of I think this is the first time we've both done a ten. Attend. Yeah, because I did it for Memento Dark Knight and this right. Have you ever given a ten out of ten. Wait, yes, you did. Do you want to know which one locks down? You have me for a second. there. Have I never given a ten attend, though I feel like it must. I feel like you've given a nine point five before, but never at ten. I don't think you have. Maybe I did too dark knight. Oh, I think I bullied you into a ten. Yeah, this is the first time, without bullying, I've given you. We both without any form of resistance. I'm more than happily give this a ten. I see it come on the dark knights at ten. I see it in a lot of people's letter box, top four and, Um, I don't know if this was in the research, but it's has a four point four out of five and letter box, which is one of the highest two fifty rated on the entire platform. Um, alright, well, I guess that settles that. Um, yeah, that settles American politics. Wait, Trent, you know what? You know what episode comes out after this one? Um, it's our hunt. It's our hundredth episode special after this. Yes, this is the ninety ninth episode. What's going to be the one? The timelines of this is really fucked up, because I don't think we've made like our ninety six episode. Yet we we just released our yet to be released mystery to us. Yeah, well, we have three weeks to figure it out. You should go abroad and think about it. Yeah, maybe, maybe it takes some time. Maybe the sweet Indian Air will incite ideas in my mind. You know.

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