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Episode 97 · 5 months ago

TOP GUN: MAVERICK (2022) Discussion

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Trent releases the episode several days late, while Parth gets frustrated.

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Edited by Trent Algayer

Good evening, ladies and gentle man. We are tonight's entertainment. Hold on our married one, two, three, four, two, three, four, one, two, three. Now. Was I rushing or was I dragging? Was He a dead body? I'M COM food. Get away from her, you bitch. What's in the box? Hold onto your butts. As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster. Partha, thought you'd be mad at me because we relate, but it seems like we're old chums again. Yeah, chump chumps. Okay, Um, it's a trent. Hello part you're looking well. It's good to see you. Yeah, you too, eating anything special? Thanks for asking. Um, I haven't eaten in a while. I got a tall glass of water before me. But a few hours ago, and part of the reason why we're starting the podcast to laid is because I was tasked with moving a couch, because when you have a pickup truck, that's something that people ask you to do. So we went to a friend of the show, join stickfus's aunt's couch, not to our couch, to our house to move the couch and she had a pool and a basketball hoop and a trampoline and so, needless to say, we got distracted and they were like kids running around. It was like a Norman Rockwell painting Um and so. But before that, another part way how we got distracted as we stopped for coffee and simply chy and we got Um chies and monkey bread and we ate it on the road, and so that's what I ate. End Why I'm late. That sounds lovely. I had a chicken sandwich from Wendy's. Um. We're trying as of recording. Tomorrow I'm going on a flight to India. Part of why this episode is late because we've had so many episodes we've had to record Um. But yeah, we kind of have exhausted the food we already have and didn't want to buy more groceries just before we're about to leave and it would make for interesting conversation on the show. Exactly. How was your Wendy? How was your Wendy Chicken Sandwich? It's good. Um. My One qualm with Wendy's as they had this Jalapeno. There's like their number twelve and that number twelve always changes every few months, but I liked the number twelve. That was their last but now it's the hot honey or something and like I don't care for that. It's okay, but it's not for me. Um, and so I'm kind of not I feel I used to be kind of a Wendy's extremist, extremist, um, but now, yeah, when I was like twelve I really liked Wendy's. I've matured now. I think now more of a Popeye's kind of guy. I was just gonna say maturing is liking the Popeye chicken sandwich. Well, we've got something spicy to talk about today, don't we? Yeah, Um, so, I mean we're yeah, we do have to talk about top gun. Yeah, we do. But should we? Oh, I mean I had something that you know how we we recorded the whiplash intro the other day and it was like the Roe v Wade overturned day, and that was like, Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, so when we record, just just for a backstory, because you'll hear about this in two weeks, but we recorded our whiplash discussion Um, on the day that Roevie Wade was overturned. So we sound very like depressed in that episode, at least at the beginning. Um. But I guess like this episode is getting least much closer to Rov weight getting overturned.

So I guess we just need to say for the record, Shit really sucks and, Um, we are against it. Yeah, but basically the reason I bring it up again, Um, is because I was thinking. I was like, Oh, we kind of just said like that sucks and we didn't provide any like good solutions, and so I oh, I think, I think I know what's happening. I think Jackson told me about this. Yeah, I mean, maybe we're talking about the same thing, but the Internet has recently informed me of a thing called plan C and it's not it's not plan a or plan B, but it's plans C and you can look it up and it's like, Um uh, basically an abortion pill sent to your house and it's like a hundred fifty dollars and they do like a digital appointment and it seems like really easy and I don't know if it goes to states where abortion is illegal, and I'm sorry if that's the case, but I did it for New Jersey and it seems very available and affordable and if you have a situation and you need to take care of it, that's seems like a good resource. You can look it up. This this is different from I was like I thought you were going to bring up, which is Trent is hosting a party at his house today. As of when this episode gets released, it will have been yesterday. But, UM, we're raising money for planned parents know, apparently. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't just go out and too my own horn like that, but yeah, that does. I mean the money wouldn't have gone to me, it would have been split among the bands. So there's no reason to give me credit, but I just suggested it. Trent, I wasn't giving you credit, Um, but I just thought it should be out there. But anyways, UM, should we should we cut in? Should we go? Yeah, I just thought that we should handle that in the intro because once the top gun music plays, it's all top gun on once once we feel the need, you know, the need for speed. Once once we once we enter, dare I say, the danger zone. What, what are you gonna play danger zone right now as the intro music? Or that would seem appropriate. All right, who to say that? Hire? No, Trent, it's the wrong song to the dangers. Um, right episode. I feel the needy first, all right, you want to you want to continue. Welcome back to craft services, where we talk about the movies each we can talk about the film and hopefully have a film to talk about us with other experience working on the picture. This week. Who who are? Last the last two weeks? Who did we have? Trent? The last two weeks we split our interview with editor Eddie Hamilton's and uh, that was a super big fish for us to catch with our fishing rods, with our emails, fishing round. He was a he was an incredibly nice man. No, it was just like rude to us. I don't remember. I liked it. I liked I like talking on Um. And what else did he edit? Any other movies come to mind? Like, like Um, like mission, impossible, rogue nation, Mr Possible, fallout, kick ass one and two. This doesn't seem like x men, x men, first class Um. so He's been around the Pinksman kicksman too, but nothing, nothing big. That nothing to nothing you've heard of. Yeah, like Hamilton's, just a few things. Small town girl living in a lonely world, taking the midnight train going anywhere. Um, that should that. That sounds like a song. Almost. You should. You should work with that. So it's the beginning of the discussion. is now the time that the first part happens? Yeah, that's The ten word synopsis. It can be. I know...

...you think it's. Maybe that's why it should be your turn. Yeah, I agree that I'm overdue. Um, Tom Cruise or no? No, Maverick return, you know, reduced for User Cycle. Maverick returns to top gun. Oh, I have a way you could finish it. I want to do like. I have one that is exactly ten. Okay, preparing rooster and Co. HMM, I want to do like for for for mission, like I'm I'm over I was gonna say it has to reconcile with rooster. I wanted to bring up rooster and the mission. Yeah, Um, maybe that's a mission. Impossible. Can I raise the white flag? I tried or I got eleven words, but I'm the host of the show. I don't have to by the rules. Now you can change the rules of neopy, but interest in a democracy, in the interest of the rules. The Synopsis Is, after more than thirty years of service as one of the Navy's top aviators, Pete Mitchell, Pete Maverick Mitchell, is where he belongs, pushing the envelope as a courageous test pilot and dodging the advancement and rank that would ground him. I feel like this is more of like a what happens before the movie? This doesn't really cover what happens in the narrative of the film. Yeah, true, this is like in the first ten minutes. This is what you see. Is Is it true what people said about Tom Cruise like coming on screen and having like a speech before the movie about how important top gun is to him? I think he did that at one of the premiers, many of them, but I just read something about someone saying that I was I kept showing up late to the two top gun screen things and I was wondering if I missed it. Oh, oh, you mean like recorded before the film? Yes, that is true. He has. He has a prerecorded bit where he says like thanks for coming to the movies. We made it for you real jets, real speed, so thank you for coming out. Yeah, so I missed that. I showed up late both times. I've seen the movie five times. I've seen him talk about it five times. Hi, everybody and welcome to Tal Gun. Maverick, thank you all for being here. Decades in the making and so many people are incredible. CAST and crew were. It's very hard to bring you the most immersive and authentic film experience we could. There's real lef eight teens, real Geez, real speed or sure question. So did it get better each time? Did it? Because, because I didn't, I wasn't seeing the movie with the same people. So every time he came on screen, the new crowd I was with was like it was Chris. You got to experience a child like wonder vicariously. Yeah, through my parents, through Sophia Alexis there, Jackson Clark there, Sarah Bratman, just a whole bunch of people. I recently saw a light year and excuse my French, but like it was fucking garbage and someone threw a water bottle at us. But then I read a view on letterbox. That was and I give it one star, and then I read a letterbox. I think it needs to be it needs to be said that Trent didn't finish the movie. Well, we were a lot was on our mind and then someone threw a water bottle at us and then we were like, why are the vibes bad? Maybe it's because Tom Cruise didn't introduce it. But I read a letterbox review and it was like I was watching light year at a matinee and I wasn't expecting much and...

...then like a kid and their mom sat next to me and the kid was super amped on light year and it made me enjoy late year, and so maybe I just needed to watch it with a kid. Yeah, experienced childlike wonder that has since left your body long ago, you know. You know, I did just experience kids playing around the pool and I was like, why is this nice? Yeah, Trent loves hanging around little kids, but Trent also loves giving the budget and box office of this movie, doesn't he more importantly, the budget is a hundred seventy million, which is like surprisingly low, and the box office, I noticed that you adjusted it because now it's Oh, today it crossed, it crossed over. It crossed the one billion dollar Mar so it's one point zero zero six billion dollars. And Uh, I just saw yesterday and the crowd was pretty crowded and lively and more than one group applauded it after and I joined in in the applause. How many times have people Pau Dou when you saw it? Every single time but like did it decrease the amount with the time I went with Sarah Broughtman to see it, which is the fifth time I'd seen it. It was a midday showing in the middle of the week, so it's really just me her and like two or three other groups in the theater Um. So I don't know how much that one can really count, but I would say that it was a pretty it's pretty equal each time I went, which is pretty awesome. Yeah, what do we have here here? I thought we were special fellas. This here's bag man hang man. Whatever the kind of mission is this? Everyone here is the best there is. Who the hell are they going to get to teach us? Yeah, than Pete Maverick Mitchell. Let me be perfectly blunt. You are not my first choice. You were here at the request of Admiral Kazanski, A K A iceman. He seems to think that you have something left to offer the navy. What that is, I can't imagine. All due respects, sir, I'm not a teacher. I just want to manage the expectations. Oh yeah, so a few weeks ago paramount put out that ticket UM ticket sales were people that had gone to see it more than once, and that like four percent or something, where people that had seen it three times or four times. For average people who aren't film students are like extreme extremists. To See a movie three times is very surprising to me. Yeah, except for when that movie has top gun maverick. You know, it just keeps getting better. I think the only movie that I've seen so the second, second highest for me is mission possible follow which I saw four times, and every other movie I think I've only ever seen twice, ever in theaters. I've only ever seen a movie twice in theaters. But yeah, I've I've shared this before. But yeah, when I when I saw the Batman and liquorice pizza for the third time in theaters, I thought twice was enough. And then, yeah, in the middle of seeing x, I saw x two days in a row and about halfway through I was like, hm, it was two days in a row necessary. I should have given it some time to breathe. But X is a good movie and we covered it. Can Uh, don't cut that. Okay, yeah, x is a good movie, but you know what else is good? Giving the production history of top gun. Should I do it? There's so many bullet points, but Godspeed. Yeah, I'll try to get through this as quickly as I can. So development for the film began...

...in two thousand ten when paramount pictures made offers to Jerry Bruckheimer and Tony Scott to make a sequel with Tom Cruise reprising his role. By mid two thousand ten, Chris mcquarie received an offer to write the sequel screenplay. Fun fact, just when we entered our call with Eddie Hamilton's he was like, sorry, guys, just texting Chris mcquarie, and both Trent and I looked at each other like a famous person. In two thousand and eleven, Ashley Edward Miller and Zack stents were hired to write the screenplay, and in March two thousand Peter Craig was later hired to write a new draft under Tony Scott's direction. When asked about his idea for a new top gun film, Scott replied, quote, this world fascinated me because it's so different from what it was originally, but I don't want to do a remake, I don't want to do a reinvention, I want to do a new movie. The film was reported to focus on the end of the dog fighting era and the role of drones and modern aerial warfare and that cruise's character, maver will fly an f a teen Super Hornet, Scott, and cruise toward Naval Air Station Fallon Nevada for research purposes. But a week later the project was unexpectedly stalled due to Scott's unfortunate suicide. In August two twelve. The project was on hold until September two fourteen, when the sequel was officially revived, with Justin marks entering negotiations to write the screenplay. He said that writing the screenplay for top one was his dream project and that the film was an iconic film and his memory which helped him pursue his film career. He researched the Joint Strike Fighter, the F thirty five, to give an insight of how top gun would be represented in the current period. Joseph Kazinski then met with cruise on the set of mission possible fallout, with a look book, a poster and a title topic on Maverick. He pitched two main ideas to Cruiz. The first focused on Maverick's current place in the navy as part of the dark star program where he would be pushing the boundaries of aviation and the second focus, and the second focused on the seven relationship between Maverick and goose's son set against a dangerous combat mission. Upon hearing his pitch, cruise then contacted Jim Ganopolis and requested to make the film. Kazinski then hired Screenwriter Eric Warren Singer, who boarded the film, to rewrite the script. By August two thousand seventeen. In August, mcquarie, a frequent collaborator of Cruise, was brought in for rewrites. During production, mcquary opted to mostly ignore the first film during his writing process and flew with the Blue Angels in preparation in the Chinese company ten sent invested twelve point five percent of the film, but later pulled out of the project when Mavericks when Mavericks Jacket included the Taiwanese flag. By January twenty final screen pet of credits were given to Aaron Krueger Singer and mcquary, with story credit attributed to Craig and Marx. Crew said that this film was going to be a, quote, a competition film similar to the first one, as well as well as a progression for Maverick cruise designed a unique three month boot camp to train the actors with Flying Worlds, to get them used to aerobatics and high g forces and to build the spatial awareness they would need to operate the camera equipment. The film was shot in Imax format using Imax certified Sony Venice six K full frame cameras, and the production team spent over a year with navy forces to figure out how to put six Imax level cameras in the cockpit. Aerial footage was also recorded using modified Arrow l thirty nine alble tross jets with cameras on their noses to create the illusion that the actors were actually piloting the jets. During flying sequences, the producers paid the navy eleven thousand three hundred seventy four dollars per flight hour for f eighteen Super Hornets and pilots to fly them. The fictional dark star aircraft was partially based on the unmanned Lockheed Martin's SR seventy two. Some of the training was required for by the navy for passengers and tactical jets, including underwater evacuation. Barbara said that the cast Monica Barbera, said the castingered aerobatics, including the extra three hundred l including right befo for flights in the F Eighteen F to ensure their bodies had...

...their required tolerance. They also had to learn lighting, cinematography and editing to properly run the cameras because, as Jerry Bruckhemer put it, quote, when they're up in the jets they had to direct themselves. Essentially, preliminary production on the film officially started on May Eighteen in San Diego, California, and during late August a fifteen person film crew from paramount and Bruckheimer films were aboard the Norfolk based aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln to flight to shoot flight deck operations. In mid nineteen crews and the production crew were sited on board USS Theodore Roosevelt in N as, North Island. In March, filming was completed at Naval Air Station Would Be Island in Oak Arbor, Washington. Principal photography was scheduled until April fifteen nineteen and San Diego, Lamore, China, Lake Chico and Lake Tahoe in California, Seattle, Washington and Pax River Maryland, and on June. On June miles seller revealed in an interview, they finished filming two days earlier. The Post production and editing works were super were supervised by Kazinski at his home during the covid nineteen pandemic lockdown, according to University Georgia Professor Roger Stall, open record requests have revealed that the US military officials were allowed to make changes to top gun maverick, including the insertion of key talking points such as foreign policy and recruitment, and a top US military recruiter told Fox News that, quote, we want to take advantage of the opportunity to connect not just the movie and the idea of military service, but the fact that we've got jobs and we've got recruiters waiting for them. The film was originally scheduled to be released on July and was initially but then was initially delayed to June to shoot several complex action sequences. By March, paramount moved the film up two days early on June and was then moved to December twenty three due to covid nineteen. On July twenty the film was delayed again to July two one due to the rise of covid nineteen cases and was then further delayed November, and then again too, it had. The film had its premiere at Cinemacon on a two, my birthday, and also screened at the Cann Film Festival on May Eighteenth in an official selection screening where it received a five minute standing ovation from the audience. Top Gun Maverick was then finally released theatrically by paramount pictures in the US on Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, whoa. A lot of a lot of production history. The stuff about China was pretty, pretty crazy. Yeah, fun fact. Sorry, I just had a glass of water or some water from my bottle, but Um, fun fact. For the film's first trailer, the Taiwanese flag is digitally scrubbed from his jacket. Um, and I assumed that was to not so as not to bother the Chinese censors, but then it was reinstated in the final film. So I wonder what behind the scenes conversations were going on there. Okay, well, speaking of fun facts, the World War Two p fifty one mustang seen in this movie is actually Tom Cruise's own airplane. Which plane is that? That's the that's the plane in his like hangar that he flies at the end and he's fixing at the beginning. Um, according to Molese teller, three of the six new actors threw up every day of filming in the jets. Yeah, I saw I was teller in a podcast doing like a crazy breathing exercise. Did you see that? It's crazy, and that is that the Cordn to Molese Teller, the cast got to choose their own call signs. He chose rooster because it was in the same family as goose. That sounds crazy. that the I mean. I feel like rooster is such a...

...perfect call sign for him. Well, yes, and and as an extension of goose, but like hangman like. That's good. I don't know. All of them are good. Bob, you know the shirtless oh wait, I skipped one. Um, the roof of the shack next to Ed Harris wasn't supposed to be lifted when maverick flew past. However, the force of the jet broke the set, so they did in one take. That's a cool shot. It seems intentional. Um, the shirtless beach football montage had to be shot twice because time cruise did not find the first version good enough. Don't you wish that he just wore shorts in that scene and didn't roll up his jeans like that feels Sandy. It feels like it hurts to me. Yeah, Oh, another fun fact I didn't put in is that the boat scene between him and Penny Benjamin, where they're sailing, that that was shot for the third time, because the first two times they did it in San Diego, but it wasn't windy at all or fast enough. I think so. Speaking of the movie, Val Kilmer's dialogue was all AI, since he can no longer speak. That's crazy. I didn't I didn't know that. Um. Also, let me just say here I know Val Kilmar can't speak and so I'm sure texting is like his best mode, but like he responds so fast in the movie and like he's always ready to respond and just like texting Val Kilmar and or iceman's just a funny thought. Well, okay, but to think that he's like so locked into his phone is really funny. Yeah, but the Navy's oldest fighter pilot retired at fifty four. Calculating from Maverick's birth in nineteen sixty two, he is fifty eight in top gun. Maverick, top Tom Cruise looks good. He can fly plane any day. Um, so canharrison Ford. Yeah, well, one of one of them is better than the other. But yeah, I mean, just for context for anyone who doesn't know, Harrison Ford likes to smoke blunts and flies plane and he's gotten in like seven accidents or something, but he lives on. Yeah, Um, on the KERMODE and Myo podcast. Oh, miles seller said that they shot more footage for this film than the entirety of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Yeah, maybe more hours. I mean, what was the number that Eddie Hamilton's said? Eight hundred and thirteen. Yeah, that's a lot of people flying in planes. I mean that's why it looks so good. Yeah, UM, Tom Cruise is five seven, uh, the ideal height for fighter pilots, probably wind, but he can't make it. It looks like it was short of the runway. Crash landing on a golf course fairway startled golfers, including a spinal surgeon, rushed to the downed World War Two era plane, obviously in our comic individual. And when he laid there, as those just control churs airways, blood pressure whose obviously his fantasies, he's Ros and four he's conscious breathing. Steves is not, which is a common injury. Who's obviously the morning and Um in pain. And Uh well, with all those fun facts out of the way, Trent, what do you say we start with one star reviews? Huh Yeah, let's and this week we have to do letterbox reviews instead of Amazon ones, because this film has yet to be released on Amazon. Um, so this is from Cathue. Three ohs. It's one star, but with a heart. I hate this movie because my dad named my brother after this movie. I've crying, Maverick, like I don't know what doesn't say. Pete is...

...that isn't it? Is that Tom Cruise's name? Yeah, in the film, but like why, like how would or unless this baby was, what's his name? Hey, what's the name Babe? Was this was this sibling born in like the last two years? Because, and do you not like the sibling? or well, I mean obviously not this movie. I think it can be assumed that's the first one. I guess so. But then why would you do this movie poorly? Yeah, and like say that it was named after this movie. I feel like that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I mean this baby would have to be born really recently. Who's WHO's your brother? Dude? Yeah, weird. Um. The second one you picked out the reviews. So who? I don't know what's going on. But the second one is by Minion cat five and it says this movie should have been in British. I don't know why. I like this movie is like so American, like it's such a bizarre like review. I don't get it. But this is from Lorena and it says movie just started and immediately it's bad and his ears are very, very dirty. And I brought this one because I was like, I didn't notice his ears being particularly dirty. WHOSE EARS? Tom's, I assume. Who else would they be talking about? Dirty, as in there's ear hair in there? He's an aging man. That happens. But also, I don't think that's true, like that was the last thing on my mind. Like he's he's a very well groomed man. He's he's the last movie star. He has a million dollar smile. He has a six million dollar smile. Is that how much he's worth? Is that the yeah, let the listeners know that. I'm only noticing now that I can see my vehicle outside my window and two of my windows are not open, and so if any criminal to come, at least I'll be able to see it happen. That's true. Um, well, we've managed to get through the production history and not that long, seemingly, seemingly unscathed. Is it? Is it time? Do we do? We do we enter the danger zone? Do we take our food again? Do we do we take our audiences and breadth away? I love the needle drops in the film. This movie is just like a bunch of good scenes, like in a row. This movie is it's kind of unfathomable a how good it is and be how much better it is than the first one, like it's incomparable. I said this in my letterbox review, but since I saw a top gun maverick first and then went back and saw the original top gun, I think my review is something along the lines of you hear about top gun growing up and you're like, oh, everyone's talking about this, it must be good, and then you watch top gun it's not that good, but top gun maverick like fucking slaps. I mean I could watch top gun just like on a drunken night. Um, I could watch the first top gun, but this one is so much better and it's amazing the so few movies take this like steep incline and quality on the second film. You know. Yeah, I mean this movie really feels like the culmination of all that cruise has been doing through his career, everything he's been working towards, both in terms of obviously the flying stuff, because in the last fifteen years cruise has really doubled down on all the stunts and like especially with, Um, the last mission movie, and of another movie he made, American made, where he worked on a lot of flying sequences. So clearly he made he he's made a lot of prog us with that kind of storytelling in those movies.

But even just like the emotion in this movie just feel like he just looks flying in the planes. That's true, but like he like, this movie has such a strong emotional through line and I think that, like every scene kind of flows into the next one. So well, do you know how Adam Sandler, like famously like go, does movies that bring him and his friends too, on vacation to Hawaii, where they also happened to be shooting grown ups too? Yeah, I was listening to US smarter podcast and they were talking about how genuine Tom Cruise's smile, seems when he's riding that motorcycle next to the plane and they were like, Tom Cruise is just doing all these crazy movies because he's getting high off of jumping off of these high of this high stuff. Well, one of the funny things that Chris mcquarie has said about Tom Cruise was in some press, I think he was doing it either for fallout or rogue nation, one of the mission movies he worked on, and he said that the difference, that there's one big main difference between Ethan Hunt and Tom Cruise and it's that Ethan Hunt doesn't want to have to be doing all these crazy things for the mission and doesn't enjoy it and Tom Cruise loves doing it. And I think people try to say that like the mission movies are Tom Cruise, but I would say, I would argue that maverick is the closest Tom Cruise comes to ever playing himself, because clearly this is him, like in the movie, just allowed to like be relaxed and like have fun playing this role, despite California State Law, ride his motorcycle without a helmet. Yeah, but like Lokay, it looks awesome so maybe we should let him. And when him and Penny are riding the motorcycle with the helmets, that looks super cool. Yeah, but, Um, I guess one thing I want to get out of the way is the military propaganda of it all. You have the floor. Well, uh, I remember you saying that, like you don't. You said something, I think, either for a interview or something, where you were like you didn't get it. So I was wondering what your thoughts on it were. Oh, on the military industrial complex. Well, like in terms of this movie being like an oppressive force. Well, I mean you said in the production history that military workers were like this is partly being used as a recruitment tool. Um, is that so? I'm not tripping. Yeah, but like they they said that. They're like they were designing it to show that, like there were positions and waiting to be filled and recruiters on standby. Yeah, although, I mean they weren't making the script, but they just had a say in it. I mean, I usually like. I mean, I can't say I'm a huge proponent of the military. I would never join it. If you fought in a war that had a good cause, cool, I'm sorry if you got drafted. But if you're joining the military like voluntarily and you're not just like that's your only career option, I don't know, I don't want to go to a far away place and kill people. Um, so recruiting people to make it look super dope and then giving them not that and then sending them to like, I don't know, Birmingham Alabama for boot camp, and it's really hard to be in a position to fly a plane and it's like you're the astronauts of the military, you know. Yeah, but well, I mean, like I I like, I like war movies that like make the military in America like look bad, like apocalypse now, you know. Yeah, although, like the reason I brought it up is because a lot of people don't like this movie or kind of like morally...

...object to it because of the fact that it makes the military look good. Um, and I guess my one thing with that is that a any movie that costs a hundred million dollars or more is probably not going to be anti establishment in like a meaningful way. Um, and be I don't think that it's like, obviously, yes, this movie is being used for recruitment and whatever, and that I'm not denying that, but in terms of the actual messaging within the movie, other I don't think it says anything other than they're good guys, because they're not naming any specific country. They're not naming that. You don't see anybody you don't like. It's almost comical how much you don't see who the enemy is. Any country you pick you're like a little bit wrong and if you pick certain countries, you're like definitely wrong. Yeah, and when you're America picking the countries, you know it's interesting. You should just bomb unnamed Um nuclear plant operated by men in all black UH suits, and you can't even see their skin color, no, nor hear them speak. You just shoot him out of the sky. But I guess my thing is like, personally, I'm able to detach myself from this being reality and I can enjoy it on its own terms within the movies world. I'm real with myself enough to understand that this movie is really fun and that my eyeballs like watching it and that maybe it's time that we talk about this. But which part of the movie do you think almost made me cry? Oh yeah, Trent told me that a part of this film made him cry. I have a few guesses. Uh Huh. I don't think it's what you expect, would expect or what my body expected. WAS IT VAL kilmer? No, was it crew sacrificing himself? It was an action moment, I'll say that much. An action moment. Was it when they were like flying and there's the one guy that's on their nose and they're going up into thing and he's like, I'm sorry, close Um. It was when rooster and Maverick are in the air and they think that they're toast and then hangman comes out of nowhere and blows them up and uh, he he's he was a hero and like he saved them. Wow, you caried for hangman. Isn't expected, not for hangman, but just I mean, it just reminded me of star wars and it's exactly like Han Solo swooping in and I'm just like, this is nice. You crashed a plane and and it was a plane crash. I was aboard the plane and it crashed. I didn't but you're the only one on the plane. I wasn't the only one. Okay. So so somehow the plane. What happened? The plane had a mechanical malfunction. So when it starts going down, and you were on a golf course, which you know. I wasn't on a golf course. I was near a golf I was near the airport and there happened to be a golf course there, but there happened to be a lot of other places that were not as attractive landing sites as the golf course. I would have preferred to land on the airport. So you chosen a golf course because doctors are there usually, so that would be a good place to run there, or didn't construct such a complete room? Buch hey man, hey man, is sitting at...

...his point. He's like permission to go help my friends and doing negative and he's just like yeah, this movie hits in the fields and all the right ways. Is it implied that he disobeyed the orders and went and save them, or that, I think so, eventually got the okay? That's good. Oh wait, no, maybe not, because they see that he's flying towards them like like the rooster. UH, gets picked up on radar. So maybe they sent him, because John Hamp seems, seems happy to see them and I feel like otherwise he'd be pissed. I love John Hamm he's good. I like when he like, no, I'm not going to say that on air. Actually tell me. Well, you have to cut it out final I did that where he was. But yeah, I mean, like what would you say? I mean, clearly you cried at hangman coming, or almost cried at handman coming. I've cried a like less than five movies, like my whole life. So like consider that. I mean no tears exited my eyeball, but like the I was getting like the chills, like I felt like the four play to crying. What would you say your favorite scene was? What is my favorite scene? Maybe the first time I saw it, all of the mission going wrong and what happens in essentially after the third act of Miles Tom Cruise record saving miles teller, miles teller saving Tom Cruise. Um, that was awesome. And then that them stealing the plane, them doing the hand motions at the enemy pilots. Um, that just like classics, Studio Hollywood Entertainment. I'm entertained. I think. I think this has one of the best third acts in a movie I've seen since, like in theaters at least. I have no idea, but like, this is one of my favorite ever third acts in a movie, and I would say that like my favorite stuff in the movie is all the mission and then, because, and I talked about this with several people, Um, but this movie is really good, but it's not really unpredictable all the way up until both maverick and rooster get shot down, and that's the point where I feel like a lot of people that were enjoying it kind of go like lean forwards and are like Oh, like, what's happening? Now? They're really doing something here, because, like literally, how do they get out of this? Because I don't remember the last time a movie truly made me feel like that. If they just did the two miracles in a row and then return and everyone was on the flight deck happy, I'd be like, okay, yeah, like that was enjoyable, but all right, it's fine. I'd feel like that was a bunch of fun montages. And then the mission was okay, I guess what I expected, but I was taken on. You said it was an amusement park ride. Well, I mean you said see and Imax was like the riding roller coaster. Now I what I said and now I guess I can spoil what specific moment I was talking about. But I had said that for all the talk of M C U Movies being theme Park Rides, top gun maverick is the only movie that I can think of where I watched it and actually felt like I was on a roller coaster, and specifically when I saw it the first time and an Imax, when you see that shot of Tom Cruise is jet going off the carrier and you're inside the cockpit and you're you're seeing him and it's an unbroken shot and...

...he like you. You feel that like jolt as he lifts off of the carrier. That is cinema and that is awesome. And like that everything in the cockpits and like with the jets, just you feel the intensity with every like cut, like it really makes you feel. I mean it's in all the fucking marketing, but it really makes you feel like you're in the jets. Last night watching it with the knowledge that all the flight stuff is, is all off the flight stuff real. Um, okay, I mean I can live with that because like a percent would be inconceivable and makes me feel better, but still like wow, like I mean, I'll explain how that ten percent that's not real. The ten percent that's not real is there are no functioning F fourteens anywhere in the world except for Iran, and we did not use Iran's at fourteens any no. So any exterior shots involving the F fourteen, that was a CG plane. However, UM, inside the cockpit, when you're seeing them, that's real, like when the you know, because they're just in a different plane. Yeah, then the dark start at the beginning of the movie. That's not a functioning plane. That's not real. So that's a different plane that they then paint over. So that's a real plane, but not that plane. And then I think every now and then they might like have to comp in in certain shots, because something that happened with the first movie is that they got all these cool shots of airplanes flying, but it was kind of just nothing and then in editing they had to figure it out which was in that movie. It was incongruous spatially. It makes so little sense, like like they're high, they're high up in the air and then the right down by the ground. You know. But Um, so that doesn't happen as much with this movie, but it does happen a little bit. But thankfully now we have cg where we can make things make more sense. But I would go so far as to say, as far as I understand, maybe because some of the shots of them like bobbing through the mountains, those are real. Those are real really. Yeah, well, yeah, good for them. Yeah, it's kind of awesome. What what? Like? I thought spectacle was dead. No, and I mean like this whole movie. A lot has been said about it. We're pretty late to the party and bringing this up, but this movie is like an analogy for Tom Cruise's career in a way. Um, it just keeps getting better. Well, that, but also this idea that you know, clearly the movie industry is moving towards, you know, theme park kind of films, like mcu movies and the theatrical experience. All kinds of like interesting movies are being pushed out of theaters. But even these M cu movies, you know, they're not really pushing the boundaries of anything. Um, as opposed to as as opposed to Tom Cruise, who is this kind of analog? He's a movie star in an age where the movie star is kind of dead and uh, that's not valued as much as I p you know, he's a relic of another time, in the movie and outside of the movie, and he in the movie proves that it's still worthwhile to be pushing for that. And Out of the movie, clearly he succeeded with a billion dollars at the box office and, you know, doing it for real, it makes a difference. Like, clearly it makes a difference. There's been tons of movies with plane sequences in recent years and it's nothing against C G.

It's just that the same amount of care and effort is not put into those movies as is put into this movie, I think, and Um, clearly it pays off. When we talked to Eddie Hamilton's he was just like yeah, you know, I really like top gun, and so I felt the responsibility to take actually every second and look through the eighteen or of footage because, like, if this movie wasn't as good as it could be, that would be on me and it's nice to know that the people care that much. Yeah, that's that's what I that's how I I mean there's a lot of like I like, a lot of jokes about how I like Tom Cruise. It's whatever, but that's really what I like about Tom Cruise is this kind of like it's like obsessive and truly insane, but this kind of compulsion to make sure that he's making something bigger and better than the last time he made it, and like an obsessive need to entertain an audience and to do it the to do it in a way that's not stupid. You know, there's a version of this movie that's a lot dumber than this one. Some could argue that it's the first top gun, but you know, like uh, a movie does not necessarily need to be smart, but it needs to be smartly made. Um, and I think this movie is very smartly made and for what it is, it is perfect. Can I bring up the one complaint that's on my mind right it's not even a complaint, but I saw the show, I saw the movie yesterday with friends of the show, Juran sick foot, and with all of the Penny Romance stuff and with like the daughter being like don't break her heart again, which I understand is implied, but she was like I feel like I'm missing something and that these people should have been in the first movie, but I know that they're not, that there's just another woman with no relation to this. Yeah, I mean like people are kind. I guess the other elephant in the room is that the woman from Kelly mcgillis Slash Charlie from the first top gun, is not brought back for this movie. But I don't think they have great chemistry in the first movie and I think Tom Cruise and Jennifer Connelly have much better chemistry in this movie. Well, I was gonna say it doesn't matter because all of those scenes are so awesome, like they shouldn't be, but they are. Like Tom Cruise on a boat, out of his element despite being in the navy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's nice to see a movie that acknowledges that Tom Cruise is old and to see him with an age appropriate woman, yes, and another woman who, like, is not afraid to charge Tom cruise theoretically, like was easily thousands of dollars of alcohol charges. That's the other thing. How do they he comes into the role of money and he's like here, let me pay you back and she's like don't worry about it, and he's like, I insist, and she's like Oh okay, and then she takes the whole role of thousands of dollars. I really the other thing that's funny about her that I saw on the Internet was people were like she's a mysteriously wealthy woman that owns like this crazy expensive car and a sail boat, but it's also owns this bar that seems to be doing there, but it seems to be doing exceptionally well. But she seems like she just enjoys working at the hard deck. But which funny name. What made what didn't make sense to me is like the football sequence is right outside the hard deck. Yeah, but she has to be driven back also, I believe. So how did she get there? I'm saying, why is the military going to this beach right outside this bar? Well, well, I guess you can make it the Tom Cruise chose the location because he wanted to be shirtless in front of his lady friend. But then John Hamm goes there like it's like on the military base and...

...he's like what's going on? Yeah, but but here's my counterpoint. It's kind of fucking awesome. No, it is um dog fight, football offensive defense at the same time. That's the thing. Well, this movie it I feel like, in terms of legacy quels like this is maybe the best one. I wonder why? Because they let an age, they gave it a bunch of time, they let a breathe. But I mean like there's like it's also like it. It treats it, the first movie, with like enough reverence, but not so much that it like I feel like I enjoy the force awakens a lot, but like, with each passing year that I watch it, I'm like they could have they could have made this a little bit different. There could have been a little bit less like overt similarity and whereas this movie, I think it has that opening sequence, which you could cut it out, but it's fun to have it and it has, you know, it takes the things that it references from the original movie. You play a part in this movie. They're not just there to be there. You know, the football sequence, it's in this movie there, which is the volleyball sequence. It's there, but it's there to show that it's part of the training and you know, talk to me, goose. He's not just saying that. That's like, that's the goose is the whole point of the movie. It's like meaningful moments and it's only exactly and you know, they could have had the need for speed line. Could have been redone in this movie. But like they don't they have they know when to and when not to reference the original. I think the only showing, the only original footage being like during the great balls of fire, and it's just like that little flashback and then it's like goose dying and then not anymore because, like when I'm watching Matrix Res Directions and that they keep cutting back to like a slightly change version of the footage from the original film. I'm like, what are we doing here? I think this does it more effectively. I'm agreeing. Yeah, Um, but yeah, I don't. I don't have any. There's nothing not working for me. Trent, I gotta be honest. You couldn't muster a complaint if you if you needed to. Nothing, nothing, part gun to your head, say something bad about it. It ended and you wanted to go on forever, like I kind of wanted to be. I wanted to be in these jets. I wanted to be in the air force, well, the navy. I'm sorry, I corrected someone on that yesterday, so I feel stupid. Um, wow, something bad about top gun, maverick, you're making me reach here. Um, there's one shot where the F fourteen is coming out of the smoke or something while at the end of the movie and it it could have looked better. But like, didn't you do this with the Dark Knight or spider man? And you were just like yeah, I can't think of anything, but there's this one shot that kind of bothers me. Which one was it? Do you remember? In the dark night? Um, it was something beloved, but you obviously I think I asked you a similar question to no, no, I'm sure. I think. I think you're right. I think it was the Dark Knight. I just can't remember what it is. Yeah, I feel like when when a movie, when the one thing I can think of that's wrong with the movie is one specifically one shot that lasts, I think, one second where the CG could have been a little bit better. It's not a bad place to be and as someone who was coming into this movie ready to not like it, yeah, I'm I'm like shocked that you liked...

...it so much your first time and liked it again the second time. I really thought your second viewing you'd be like not as good. But no, Um, it's awesome. It's I feel like we didn't formally discuss what's working. But we did just talk fondly about it for thirty minutes. Yeah, and really, what more can the listeners ask for? You know, like every scene, I mean, how do I say this, since they're just flying planes all the time, like it should get redundant, but they break it up so nicely and so that even if like the training scenes or whatever like kind of similar, like there's a bunch of stuff to cushion in between, so that when you're falling, this is exciting. The smart thing is that they know how to break up the information of the mission, because what they really doing with each training sequence is saying, this is another stake you have to look for. You know, you have to be flying this fast, you can't fly above this height. This is how long the mission has to take, this is how you're you know, they're breaking down all of that information across essentially two training montages, Um, which is kind of amazing. And now that I think of it, there's really only two montages where they explain everything. Um. But in doing so it allows you, for it allows you to completely understand the mechanics of the last that the the actual mission, and just sort of sit back and enjoy it and you're not at all confused by what's going on, which is something that other blockbusters could look towards this movie for inspiration. Sure as the time, I wish just gonna ask you similar question. Is it time? I think it's time. I think you should go, because we all know what mine's going to be. I'm Um scrubbing through the film mentally to think if there are any closing notes. Miles teller is like a weird I mean we're talking about this yesterday, about how my miles teller is like an elusive superstar, but I really like him. Um, if you don't have a mustache right now, like get on the bandway again, really adding part. You could have a mustache. I could, I did once upon a time. So like a minute. I like the sound of that. rewatchable, recommendable someone who has no relationship with top gun and had been avoiding it subconsciously my whole life. That was a really good movie. Parts says is one of the best movies of the year. It's certainly one of the best. It's like one of the most one of the blockbusters that are like relevant and that, like Joe Schmobile, but also like it's great like it's not avengers end game, like I haven't seen a vengers end game. Adventures end game is good, but like it's not. It could. This is more than a venture, like grown, like grown people, like especially middle aged people, were in the theater like going crazy, like they love Tom Cruise and they love plans and they love excitement, just like me and Um. My parents saw and they loved it and they just said, everyone's talking about it and we want to feel like we're participating in society and so we're gonna go see top gun. Did they like it? Yeah, and then they watched the first one and they said the first one is not good. I enjoy the first one for what it is. I'd seen it before the second movie had come out, so I guess it's different for me in that way, but I just it's not even close, you know. All right, Trent, let's get into it. Would you recommend this movie? Yep. Would you rewatch this movie? I've...

...done it. I'm in the S and my ranking, I know yours, is going to be a ten out of ten. We don't know that, and this is a youth thing, but I'm really pleasantly surprised and it's all real and it's impressive and Tom Cruise is a movie star. So nine out of ten. Um, yeah, it's very rewatchable. Clearly very I recommend it to anybody and everybody, except if you're going to be really pissed that it's military propaganda. But, Um, you know, grow up. I don't know, Um and to out of ten. There's nothing that I would change other than that one shot, but I'm not going to lower my rating for it. This is like watching you, like watching Michael Jordan's like shoot, like a mid range basketball shot. You know. Yeah, I'm picking up with putting down. Hey, looks it gives the Jordan. Jordan of the circle puts the shot of the air. God, the game's over. Pepper Pole on. Jordans beat up at the Buzzer with a chuck shot of the circle at Chicago has backed off. The caps. One, oh, one, Trent. What do we have? What's coming up? Wow, so, like, what happens after the top end discussion? Are we done? Is The podcast over? Can we go back back to what before? Our homes are yeah, well, we are allowed to record from home. Okay, so after this we're gonna have an interview with someone a production designer of a certain film that also includes a certain actor by the name of miles teller. Yeah, it's whiplash time, guys. It's whiplash. We got production designer Melanie Jones's me playing the drums. Well, you're so good. Yeah, Um, I'm like Andrew Neiman. She was awesome, really cool, really great interview. You can look forward to that next week. Um, and then the week after that we'll discuss it, but we already have as a recording. Um, go rate US five stars on Apple PODCASTS and spotify. Give us a good review. We're on podcasting APPS, pretty much whatever one you want to listen to, we're on it. Go Tell your friends. It helps drive listenership up. It really helps. Guys, please do it. We're on social media. We have twitter and instagram. You should, you should like, you should join those said it. Yep, yeah, alright, bye, guys. Goodbye. This is the end of the episode. You take my nerves and you're out on my brain. Too much love drops, some menacing. You brought my will, but water through Goud. It's gracious. Get hours a wile. I love to love, because the party was funny, but you get along and you do me, honey, I cheat my mind and others fine, this spacious, all high. He Kiss me, baby. That feels very hold me, baby. I want to love you like a love of show your fine. It's so kind. I'm gonna tell the world that's your mind. I treat my nails and I tweet on my thumbs. I get a nervous body. Show it is hard. Come on, maybe you're trying to be crazy. This pacis take hours of high.

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