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Episode 103 · 1 month ago

THE HATEFUL EIGHT (2015) Discussion

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Parth described this as "not one of our finer episodes", moments after we stopped recording. We were tired, and it was late in the PM. Trent adds sound effects in post to limit how much you have to hear us talk. 

Enjoy.

Edited by Trent Algayer

Good evening, ladies and gentle man. We are tonight's entertainment. Hold on our married one, two, three, four, two, three, three. Now. Was I rushing or was I dragging work? Was He a dead body? I'M COM food. Get away from her, you bitch. What's in ther box? Hold onto your butts. As far back as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster. So part hello, Hey Trent, how you doing? You Look you look shirtless. I was shirtless and then I was like I shouldn't be shirtless on the show, and then I put on I was thinking, do I have a themed shirt? And so the closest I could get with my pulp fiction shirt. So I put that on and then, Um, as we were just talking about, off the air, we had to turn off the fan and the window unit a C in order to record, and so me wearing a shirt was not a sustainable thing. So, you know, I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry for having a look at me. I'm sorry for the listeners at home for not being able to see. But just visualize it in your head. It's like me, but try to picture me subtracted the shirt. Yeah, but but partly interested. And what you're you're wearing a shirt, putting in your body. I am yeah, in your usual fashion, we've talked a lot about us both being shirtless, but it's usually just one at a time. But, Trent, what have you been eating? I just went wondering. Yeah, Um, the reason that we started late. There's always a reason that we start between five fifteen minutes later, and maybe I'm being generous, but this time the reason was because we got takaria and I was shoving it in my mouth, both so I could eat it and digest it, but also so I could talk about it with you here on the show, our show craft services, the podcast. And what have you been eating? Where we talking about the movie my mom made? Each week my mom made hey, okay, don't don't stop on my intro. Um, my mom made pollock paneer, which is the same thing as SOG paneer. If anybody's had that, Um, which is like spinach and paneer, which is like, I guess, like cheese. I don't know much about you had it? Yeah, I was just gonna say, is that one of the trader Joe's frozen food options? I feel like I've seen those. It probably is. Um All of those are pretty banging. I've seen a friend of the show, Jackson Clark, is a fan. I believe I got to get the garlic known too. But I've also seen a post about how trade Joe's like is appropriating Um Indian culture and uh, and they removed the spice and so that anyone's who's actually from that region who ate that food would be like this is spiceless and tasteless. Thoughts? What was the cultural appropriation of it all? I don't think that they were selling Indian food, yeah, but essentially that they were doing a bad job at it and taking away the pizzas and then just giving us a white people version. But isn't that like every restaurant like? I mean, I guess I agree that's probably like silly and they probably shouldn't do that, but I don't know if that's true. I mean, I guess that's cultural appropriation in a sense, but but also I have no take. I don't really care if they want to sell shitty Indian food and if people want to eat shitty Indian food, so be it. But if you want, if you want good Indian food, you gotta go over to parts MOM's house. Thursday, Thursday night, August four around. What time? Yeah, you have of time travel. Right now it's pm as we record, but as eating it was seven thirty. So you're gonna need to get in your time machine first. You'RE gonna need to invent a time machine and then you're gonna get in the time machine and then travel back in time, or I mean or not go to the future time, a more previous time where Jackson Clark and his very good friend and our friend off the show, Ellie Guilberto um came over with a friend of the show, Sophia Alexis, and we all my mom cooked first all, and it was pretty magical. So you could go to that time too. But I don't remember the date, but I think it was before winter. It was winter break. Just like, try to land any time around there. Ask a few people what's going on at Parts House and you'll probably find it. Well, there you have it. You want to talk about Trent. Had No idea what to do with that, but Um, let's go. Let's let's just cue the intro and the best of luck to whoever invents time travel. You...

...know, wait, remember when, if Mark Wahlberg had time travel, he would stop nine a lot. But didn't he say that? Yeah, no, he did. It was pretty awesome. Mark Wahlberg had an interview with men's journal and he said something that was extremely Douchey. He was asked about the nine eleven attacks on the country and this was his response. He says, if I was on that plane with my kids, it wouldn't have went down like it did. There would have been a lot of blood in the first class cabin, and then me saying okay, we're gonna land somewhere safely, don't worry. Wait, there's a family guy episode where Brian Stops nine eleven and Stewie's time machine and the world gets really, really bad. For whatever reason, this major breaking news. Just in nine southern states have declared that they are seceding from the United States. The announcement came from former president George W Bush, who reformed the confederacy after a bitter loss and his two thousand four reelection bid. Bush lost in two thousand four. He probably couldn't exploit people's fears with no nine eleven. Bush appeared before the press today to make this brief statement. If anyone out there can get their hands on a clown suitcase. I'd very much like to see what's inside of there. I think we have the wrong clip. What? No, it's okay. That was George W Bush declaring civil war on the northern states. Oh my God, civil what? See, Brian, this is exactly what I was talking about. That's tasteful. Um, welcome back to craft services, where we talk about the movies. Each week we talk about a film and hopefully have a remember of that film to talk with us about their experience working on trance the picture. Each week we interview. We talked about filming interviews. Someone worked on that film. And last week, who would we talk with? Well, for the last two weeks we talked with two D S Eisen, associate editor of the movie we're discussing today, and wasn't a Banking Bang in two part extravaganza. Fun was banging, it was Schmangan and, let me say, Trent, it was hanging. It's a pretty awesome interview. It's two parts. So you know, there's some good stuff just too good to release in one episode. Um. And Yeah, I think you guys are really gonna like it. So, or maybe you already did, considering we've already released these episodes. Maybe you like them already. That would be cool. I mean that'd be excellent. Um, but if you don't like that, maybe you will wait. You should travel back in time to when the episodes came out and they should listen to them. A lot of this episode is really relying on our audience knowing, understanding and being able to time travel. Um, just that. That's just thought. That was interesting. Um. But but let's time not here to try and travel. No, no, we are. Let's time travel back to the wild, wild west. Um, we're like, not exactly, I see, I see what you're doing. But to post travel, right right after the civil war. Yes, yeah, yes, post civil war. Let me try to get I know, the civil war like started eighteen sixty. So after that. There's probably a title card. It's probably got a year on it. Oh, in the year eighteen seventy. They you haven't. But it's post Lincoln assassination. Pop. Um, we should get John Wilkes booth on the pod. Oh, really, do you think so? Do you think you would take our calls Um or any like descendant of him? Maybe they haven't killed anymore, or maybe they have. By the way, let's get let's get him on the show. Um, Trent, whose turn is IT TO DO TEN BURD synopsis? Let's say it's yours. Ye, no, I'm not annoy I'm just trying to think. Group stuck in house. Minis Haberdashery. I guess that's true. Um, book Chuck, let me, let me groups stuck in Haberdasherie. There you have um wondering. Who is the bad guy? No, spoiler, like it's more bad guys. or well, maybe...

I'll do like bad guy within parentheses, as in the end, who walls in the Jodie? Don't ringing, and I'm only I'm only saying that because I'm a prested myself for every that. That was fat Um. But the actual synopsis is in the dead of a Wyoming Winter and a bounty hunter and his prisoner find shelter in a cabin currently inhabited by a collection of nefarious charity interals. So pretty close to what I said. I'm trying. You want to get be box office budget? Yes, but not in that order. Um. No, I'll get in the budget, which is a range of forty four and sixty two million dollars, which somehow seems a low. I Love I love wind turnt Um, but the box office is one hundred and fifty six point five million. And I don't know anything, Um, but that seems like on the low side for our boy friend. Should we look at what his highest person views are? His highest grossing movie is Jango and chained. Yeah, Jangle and chain, and then once upon time and then in third place, inglorious bastards, then pull fiction, then killed Bill Hay. PHILATE is at number six. Yeah, it was considered like okay, it was kind of a little bit disappointing on the box office front, but that's okay because qt doesn't Miss, not really. Sometimes he shoots it off to the side or he just hits it a little bit, but he always hits something. Should I go into the production history? Yes, I I to be transparent with the audience. I told part that I was gonna making my mission to write pros and cons column about the movie during this while he speaks for the next few minutes. So go for it. Alright. So I'M gonna try to say this to get in a way in which I can give Trent enough time to get his pro and con list ready. In November, writer, director Quentin Tarantino said he was working on another Western Trent, is this pace okay for you? You have so many paragraphs to read? I think you've bought you, you've bought me enough time, I'd say. I'd say get normal speed. He initially attempted the story as a novel, a sequel to his film Django and chain titled Django in White Hell. He soon realized that the Django character did not find this story and change the story as such. On January the title was announced as the hateful eight. The film was inspired by the nineteen sixties Western TV series Bonanza, the Virginian and high chipperil chaparral. No idea, Tarantino said, quote. Twice per season those shows would have an episode where a bunch of outlaws would take the lead characters hostage. They would come to the Ponderosa and hold everybody hostage, or go to judge guard's place, Leka played him in the Virginian, and take hostages. There would be a guest star like David Carradine, Darren mcgavin, Claude at Atkins, Robert Culp, Charles Bronson or James Coburn. I don't like that storyline in a modern context, but I love it in a Western where you would where you would pass halfway through the show to find out if they were good or bad guys, and they all had a pass that was revealed. I thought, quote, what if I did a movie starring nothing but those characters? No Heroes, no Michael Landon's, just a bunch of nefarious guys in a room, all telling stories that may or may not be true. Trap those guys together in a room with a blizzard up, with a blizzard outside, give them guns and see what happens. The hatefully live reading happened at the ace hotel in Los Angeles as part of the L A C M as live read series on April. Production was supposed to begin in mid but after the script leaked online in January, Tarantine know considered publishing it as a novel instead. He's also stated that he considered never doing the movie because he was so disheartened by that experience. He said he'd given the script to a few trusted colleagues, including Reginald Hudland, Michael Madsen, bruce den and Tim Ronn. This version of the script featured a different ending in which Warren and Mannix attempted to kill gauge in revenge by forcing him to drink the poison coffee, sparking a firefight in which every character is killed. On Septemberteen it was revealed that Vigo Mortenson was a discussion with Tarantino for a role in the film. On October, Jennifer Jason Lee was added to the cast to play Daisy Dahmergue, and on and on. November, Samuel L Jackson, Jennifer Jason Lee, Kurt Russell, Tim Roth, Dimian Bitcher, sorry Walton Goggins, Michael Madison, Bruce Den and Shanning tatum were all confirmed to be in the film. Later January, the Weinstein Company announced an ensemble of cast...

...of supporting numbers, including James Parks, Dana guerrier, Zoey Bell, Gene Jones, Keith Jefferson, Lee Horseley, Craig Stark and Belinda Owenotember Nice, a nine Acre ranch was leased to the production for the filming. There was a meeting on October and the and the county's Planning Commission issued a permit for the construction of a temporary set. Principal photography began on December in Colorado on Schmidt ranch near Telly Reid. Special makeup effects of the film were created by Greg Nicotiro, known for his work on the MC television series the walking dead. The guitar destroyed by Russell's character was not a prop but an antique eighteen seventies Martin Guitar led by the Martin Guitar Museum. The Guitar was supposed to be switched with a copy that was going to be destroyed, but this wasn't told to Kurt Russell. Everyone on set was free doubt at the guitar's destruction, and Jennifer, Jennifer Jason Lee's reaction was genuine. Museum Director Dick Boke, interesting name, said the museum was not told the script included a scene that called for the guitar being smashed and determined that it was irreparable. The insurance were the insurance paid for the purchase value of the guitar, but the museum no longer lends props to film productions. So thank you, Tarantino, for that day. Be like guys. So tone and when must be this song grades Bu Bu, break my chains into the Bushhgle and you be did behind me jump when I get to mix, give me that guitar. YEAHSIC times over. Cinematographer Robert Richardson, who had also worked with Tarantino and kill Bill and Glorious Bastard's and Django and chain, filmed the hatefull eight on sixty film using three modern sixty five millimeter camera models, the airy flex seven six five and the studio six five and the six five and six hs from panavision until the release of Dun Kirk two years later. It was the widest release in seventy million films since Ron Howard's far and away, starting our boy Tom Cruise in Tarantino edited two versions of the film, one as a road show version and one for general release. He created two versions as he thought that some footage he shot for seventy millimeter would not play well on small our screens. The British board of film classification examined its runtime difference between the road show and the DCP releases and said that the difference was nineteen minutes. The film was released on December twenty five as a road show presentation in seventy millimeter film format theaters and was wide released on December. It was nominated for best supporting actress for Lee Best of Mihotography, Best Cinematography for Robert Richardson and best original score with for Ennio Morricone at the Academy Awards and only brought home best original score. So you go on. Some fun facts? Yeah, I'd love some fun facts, speaking of more cone scores partially made up of unused scores for the thing. John Carpenter is the thing. At one point Joe Gauge, Michael Madison, says the Bastard's work has never done, which was the tagline on the poster for Inglorious Bastards. This is the first time Samuel Jackson received top billing in a Tarantino movie. At times, the cast they had worked on six films to this. Yeah, I guess he's always been for five films. This was the sixth film. It's usually an ensemble Um. At times, the cast and crew worked in a refrigerated saying which the temperature was thirty degrees. Fahrekneit UM. In the original script of the character Bob was supposed to be a Frenchman, not a Mexican. All the main events in the film take place in less than one day. I like I like the ending, that it ends with more than the other ending that you suggested, like when the hangman catches you, like you hang. You know. Yeah, I mean like I like the I guess we could talk about it, but Um, I like the version, the ending we see in the movie. But I think it would definitely I almost wish that we had like this was like clue, where it had three different versions that we could watch. When you just like rent clue, does it play all of the versions like in secret? It show it shows the first ending and then it says...

...and this is or this is how it could have happened, and then it says, but this is actually how it happened, and so it says. So just three different options. Yeah, okay, so part when the handbill says dead or alive, like the rest of us, just shoot you in the back from up on a personwhere and brings you in dead over saddle. But when John Ruth, the hangman, catches you, you don't die by no bullet in the back. When the Hayman catches you, you hang. You really that? You really impressed me with how that came off off the top of your head, are you? Yeah, UM, Trent, it's your pride and joy, your baby of this show one star review time. That's my baby. So the first one by Um Harry U S M C, which I guess is Harry United Marine Corps Um. This was titled All seem full, all seem full of real action, like those are all words that I understand, but I'm not exactly sure what they mean in this order. But it has been out for a while. Not all it was hyped up to be felt betrayed by previews, whatever that means. That was just about and they did three different ellipses in this one sentence. That could have just gone on with one period at the end of it all. Yeah. So this next one is from Tina Rush. It says DVD didn't play. Not Worth the time, because my movie didn't play at all from straight out of the package. So I'm sorry, Tina, but maybe you should try getting a BLU ray. Be a man, you know, or a woman. Just be, just be a woman. Just be a blue ray. Own Be what, be who you want to be. But you should be aspiring to be me and and have a blue ray player and a big and a big Blue Blue Ray compatible TV. So this last one is from Roy. M Roy seems like a fake name, but it's titled Garbage and it says I think he's trying to say worst movie, but it starts off with wart movie I have ever seen ejected it. Okay, so I'm just gonna read this as it's do you see why I put this in? I do worn't movie I ever seen ejected it from Blue Ray player halfway through a movie and through in trash, with a waste of five dollars. Samuel Jackson has a man sucking him off. It seems like it's worth noting that BLU RAY IS SPELLED B L U E space ray, and Samuel Samuel is spelled S A M U A l. So just putting that off out there. So there are a couple of things here. Apparently got the BLU ray for five dollars, which seems like a deal. And do you think he actually physically threw it in the trash? Maybe that's why it's titled Garbage. He like took he took that criticism so literally. Um, and it also seems like maybe he's just homophobic, because I'll watch any movie with Samuel Jackson's has someone that where someone sucks off Samuel Jackson. That's just filmmaking. Yeah, I mean that doesn't that? That's not enough. No, no, quite, it's not. It's it's if anything, it's a green flag. I was gonna say quite the opposite there. I say, Um, yeah, I don't know what Roy am is going about, but Um, like picker, like picture your boy, like with like Samuel Jackson's like big black pecker in his mouth, like would you? Would you? Are you going to shoot? Okay, well, I'm not Bruce Dern. So No, I wouldn't. Was that that actor's name? Yeah, good, he also plays the UM blind guy in once upon a time in Hollywood. Oh, you're right. I would have just thought that that's an old, old white guy, but he has a name and everything. Well, it's also an old white guy. But are we all just old eventually? Yeah, yeah, give it, give it some time. Part. You're right. Well, every every time I go into the shower, it's just shedding one more layer off until one day I'll be just as white as you. Um, this is in reference to my brown skin. To anybody that's just who's never joining the show and doesn't know what I look like, Brown skin came down Brown. I have white skin. Not For long, not for long. Every time I go in the shower it. Another layer peels off. WHOA front of the show, drawing sick? who was delivering a tall glass of icy water with four ice cubes in the thick of one star reviews? That's podcasting. Thank you. What a good person going on here. How's doing right?...

How are you? What's going on here? What's going on here? What's going on here? Put that down. What's going on here? What are you doing? What are you doing? You do when you're not talk to me, just for just from the what are you doing? Don't do that. Don't do that again. What hits me. Go, go for, go for can go, go, go, go, go for, gonna go for it. Yah, go hit me. Boo, you started. I'm starting it. Ye, are you so? You know she's not just a guy from Rond you're actually Pappas and Nah, I can't do that. Yeah, you know you can't do yeah, because you're filming. Yeah, but if that was off, I'll be whooping your ass up and down this treep. Yeah, go, Oh man. But, Trent, I think it's time to discuss the movie now. Yeah, the good, the bad, the ugly. But you see what I did there. That's also but also it's pretty cool. It's like what we're going to talk about. Also, listeners, if if you didn't notice anything, you should just know that that's because I'm very smooth with getting us into the discussion and Trent is very smooth with the editing, because we had a little mishap just now where, Um, it stopped recording us by accident, and so Trent has had to seamlessly edit these two interview recordings or discussion recordings together. Technical difficulty is that is what makes podcasting so exciting. You know, that's what the fans want. They're like no, it's easily. One of my favorite parts of podcasting is when things are technically difficult. You know, but behind the scenes footage, it's like looking behind the curtain, like the wizard of Oz. You know that, and it was very sad. Is Fine, once they looked behind the curtain in the wizard of Oz. So you should look at it like that. But if it wasn't smooth, you can either blame parts ability to talk or my ability to edit, and both of those things are frequently in question. Okay, UM, alright, Trent, what's working? What's not working? Okay, do you mind if I read for my pros and cons column. M M, I'd rather you didn't. Can you go freehand? Actually, I know you put all this time and energy and effort into making this pro con list, but I think I kind of just prefer if you just went off the top of your head. Okay. Um, so, going in no particular order. Um, this isn't anything I wrote down in the notes section. This is just off top. Um, the CAST, Um qt ensemble, but most notably Samuel Jackson, Jennifer Jaconly Kurt Russell. Yeah, I mean that's not really an opinion. You just like you just named. You just named the people remain cast members and said that it's an ensemble cast, but like they're also like all bangers. That that I can agree with. Um, put good actors and fun cowboy outfits and give them all guns, like q t said, and good things will happen. Conflict Reed, Spot, I said, a genuinely good who done it, which, like you, don't get that often nowadays. Um, like I like it when I go to the movies and there's like a mystery element. I like wondering what's gonna Happen and then watching what happens unfold. Um, I like qts classic asynchronous treatment of time, because you see stuff that happens after and then you go back to before, and it's satisfying to see how things became the way they were for our characters. Um. Yeah, but are your good things? Yeah, I mean I agree with all the points that you make. Um, I really obviously, from a production standpoint, Um, it's a Tarantino movie, is movies have only gotten better from that viewpoint. Um, it's obviously shot really beautifully. Some people don't like how wide it is. I think it's one of the best things about the movie. Um, I think again Robert Richardson. I think Tarantino with Robert Richardson and Nolan with Hoyita Ben Hitma, Um, are the only big players left in Hollywood that don't do digital color grades for their films, and as much as I like a digital color grade, it is nice to see a standard photochemical grade. Um. It just makes it look more natural role to me,...

...and I think that's something that this movie excels that. Um, I think this is a movie that I it's like weird for me to talk about because there's so much of it that I love and there's so much of it that I think we don't need this and I think most of that falls into in the first like half. Yeah, I think as the movie goes on it only gets tighter and more engaging. Yeah, I mean, and that's a problem that can be lodged at a lot of Tarantino projects, that they're kind of self indulgent. Um, with they're like wandering and then eventful and then over. Yeah, but wandering, wandering, wandering, is not necessarily the problem. The problem is how long you stay in the scenes themselves, and for me that's the problem with the hateful eight is that if you're not invested, if if the first hour you cannot get through that, you miss what's really great about the last hour and a half, which is as soon as they start doing the story with Um as, who was it roy m didn't like or yeah, Roy m didn't like um where, spoiler alert, Samuel l Jackson apparently get sucked off. As soon as that story starts, I think the movie starts getting more interesting because it's actually moving story wise. Up until that point I think the movie has a problem where it's trying to have Tarantino writes good dialogue, but it kind of just keeps going and keeps going in a way that I don't feel the need. Like once upon a time in Hollywood is, I think, a longer movie, but no way really, this is two one and I think this is two. Once upon a time it's two forty. Yeah, and this is to forty one the theatrical cut. So they're about the same length. But once upon a time in Hollywood never for me slows down or or feels like what I'm watching is not the correct sort of length for what this scene should be, whereas I feel like there's so much talking about getting onto the stagecoach and then getting off of the stage coach and then talking about the Lincoln letter and then daisy donricue getting punched out of the stage coach. I mean all of that stuff. It takes so long to do and the amount of information and character that's being delivered is not equivalent to the run time of those scenes, in my opinion, because it's broken into like five or six chapter. I think it's five chapters in the first two or like before they even get there. Yeah, and and nothing happens in those chapters, which is weird because if that was a consistency throughout the entire film, it would at least make sense. But the latter three chapters are so dense with like material and plot. There were two distinct moments where I was like, okay, people complain that this movie is too long. Let me try to find if that's true. And there were two times where I thought this, why is? Why is this in the movie? And do you? Do you have any immediate ones or just want me to say mine? Um, say yours and then I'll say mine. Um, the scene where they're hammering in like the post in between the bathroom and the main house and Um, like, okay, like this isn't referenced later? Um. And then the other one is just as the hangman, John Ruth, was going around introducing himself to everyone, he was like talking to Joe Gauge and he gave his whole spiel again, and it's like I know that Joe Gauge doesn't know that, but I, the audience, have heard it like three times because he keeps introducing himself to new characters and giving his whole Spiel, and I thought we could trim a few minutes off this puppy. Yeah, I also think that like, and I hate to say because I think she's very good in the movie, but a lot of the daisy dahmercue stuff, like it's not like I'm like confused sometimes what he's trying to go for, because if it's supposed to be actually funny, it's not that funny to me. And it feels like a lot of her like scenes of her like yelling or like cackling, like go on. I don't know how to explain it other than it just feels like he's like reveling in...

...those scenes in a way that isn't revealing anything the way it does in his other movies, like in once upon a time in Hollywood, people criticize the fight scene with Bruce Lee, and there's some merit on both sides about you know, however, but at least that sequence is revealing something. But a lot of times he has sequences that sort of continue on and they're not really revealing anything new about characters, like they revealed that Kurt Russell's mean or daisy dahmer use like crazy. You know, I don't know, Um. But and not to spend so much time harping on the movie. Once you get to the scene where Samuel Jackson is having a good time out in the West. Um, just out in the West having a good I don't know where he is. Um. Once you get to of that, then I think the movie kind of almost takes on a new life and it kind of this is like the most plot driven movie of his kind of would you agree, where like the plot is sort of carefully, AH, orchestrated, like I don't know how to like. I guess the only other one would maybe be glorious bastards, because the plan at the end with that, but even that I don't feel is so meticulously like with the door, and you know what I mean. Like like glorious bastards is a big story, so that came to mind. And then pulp fiction. It's like Nice how the pieces fit together, but also the pieces kind of like kind of happen, but it's not. That's not a plot. That's not like, you know, like no, it's the most plotting where like the each thing that happens actually like affects the next thing that happens and that all of the things happen in sequence, except for Quentin's gonna mess around that sequence, going to give you some some some matter of order. You know, about fifteen minutes has passed since we last left our characters. Joe Gage volunteered to take smither's dead body outside. Straws were drawn to see who would help him. Oh, be lost. Chris, John Ruth and Oswaldo had a vigorous debate about the legality of the self defense murder that just transpired. Major Marquis Warren, who was supremely confident about the legality of what just transpired, ignored them, sat at the table by himself and drink brandy. Captain Chris Mannox donned the dead general's coat and joined Oswaldo in lighting the candles and lanterns. Hey, as you got to write idea, let's like this place, John Ruth, the door closed. Waiting for Joe Gage and OBI to return, BOB enjoyed a Manzana. Rajadamrigo, however, hasn't moved from her spot at the community dinner table since John Ruth uncoffed her Jean Roy. Yeah, I played that guitar whiler. Let's go back a bit. Your boy black dudes dingers in his mouth. Fifteen minutes ago, Major Warren Shot General smithers in front of everybody, but about forty seconds before that something equally is important happened, but not everybody saw it. While Major Warren was captivating the crowd with tales of black dicks in white mouths, somebody poisoned the coffee. He did everybody no blanket, and the only one to see him do it was do you like it when he does his voice over narration at the beginning of Chapter Four? I love hearing his voice. No comment really. Well, well, I don't have a problem with it, I gets. I mean I like when because that's the thing he does. Of just like randomly throw the voice over in the movie when it's not been in the movie before, it's never been him. Usually it'll be like Kurt Russell or Jackson. It'll yeah, it'll be one of those two. The reason for Hugo stiglist his celebrity among German soldiers as simple as a German enlisted man. He killed Thirteen Gestapo officers. Instead of him...

...up against the wall, the haigs a man decided to send him back to Berlin to be made an example of. Needless to say, once the bastards heard about him, he never got there. Um, I'm fine with it. Um, Quentin Tarantino's a director that I'm like, I just know that he would be so obnoxious to be around and is an incredibly self involved individual, but at the same time I want to hang around him because I'm like, he's so knowledgeable about no movies, like he's seen the movies that you've seen, but like the movies that he wants to talk about are like obscure seventies TV movies that you've never heard from, heard of and probably have no interest in. And so listen to him talk about them. Would would you really be holding on for dear life? I feel like, yeah, he's now speaking. I listened to the first episode. Should we? Should we challenge them to a duel? Yeah, so, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, avery and Quentin Tarantino, if you're listening to this, which I know, let's be qt. I know that you're happy that we're fine, a hundred episodes and we're finally covering one of your movies. Oh Yeah, I guess this is a moment. Can you play like a like applause or like a yeah in the background? Um, first first qt movie. Um, first of maybe many to come. Who knows? Who knows what's gonna Happen? Um, I only got one more part joy last. Yeah, that's true. Is The podcast going to continue until his last film? That's the real question. I mean it was last movies in twenty nineteen. I feel like it's usually like four or five or six years. No, like three or four or five years in between movies for him. So that would be either fo I guess, in between Hatfulait and once more time was four years, but covid messes everything else. So let's give him till twenty four. Four would be four years. Five. Once upon a time four would be five years. Once upon a time that was a good year from movies. Remember, that was best. YEA, that was like one of the last good years for movies, and now everything is garbage. Well, Hey, top gun maverick came out to cinema. Mack nomine for best pictures. TIMPER's going not made for best actor. Let's let's it won't happen, but God damn it it should. But we're not here for top much to my siger and we already covered that. You can go listen to that. It's really good. Um, wait to do I hear that? I hear that in the background. Yeah, Ye, little danger zone. Yeah, well, I'll, I'll, I'll play it. Wow, that was impressive. Um. Anyways, hiphilate the movie we're here to talk about. Um. Yeah, I mean I think that something that Tarantino is very good at and has gotten increasingly good at, is being able to create like a vibe about his movies, and I think this is one of the strongest ones in that category. This is also one of his most this and like kill bill are kind of the most like movie like like like, almost like it lives in its own of Hollywood filmmaking, like beginning, middle and end kind of no, no, no, I mean like you know how Um Wes Anderson movies like you watch rushmore, and that kind of takes place in the real world with like weird characters in it, and then, as his films progress, it's weird characters in weird worlds, like he's starting to create the world. I feel like for Quentin Tarantino, pulp fiction kind of feels kind of real world with weird characters in it. Same with reservoir dogs, same with Um once upon a time in Hollywood, and he has some movies where it feels like he's constructing a whole world and to me even though it's supposed to take place in of real time and history. This feels like he's yeah, it feels like this is like he's constructed this world for us. And the only other one I can think of. I haven't seen Jackie Brown and I haven't seen, UM, death proof, but the only one other one that kind of makes me feel that way is killed bill maybe so. I think he really excels at that. Maybe I'm misremembering and I've only seen it once, but Jackie Brown is for as I can remember. I was like,...

Oh, this is like very straightforward, like there was no like crazy time jumps or anything, just like a story. I've heard it's a very underrated movie of his. Like people say it's like bad and it's like not, like he it's coming off the heels of pulp fiction. So people are going to be disappointed no matter what. So I've heard him say that he wanted to do something completely off to the side. I got to catch him by surprise. But, Um, do you have any things that aren't working for you? I've been the only heartbringers on the cons column. There is executive producer Harvey Weinstein. Um, like that's that's a good con Um and Bob Weinstein? I don't know. Is he like still producing movies? I don't think so. It's too bad all of the mirror Max movies from like the nineties and two thousands that are like tainted now just in the opening credits it. And sometimes you'll be watching a movie that you had no idea and then you will get to the end crediting or something. Well with that one. I know it's a Weinstein company movie, but like I'll try to watch spirited away or something and I'll see that it was distributed by the Weinstein Company and I'll go, oh, that's too bad. I have a complaint, not a complaint, a con that I feel like it's just a me problem. It's that the movie does before this is Django and chained, and I think that movie is better than this movie. But that has nothing with anything. And as you said and as I learned, he originally wanted this to also involve the character of Django, and it isn't that, but takes place in a very similar time period. And when you're a prolific autour, dare I say director, I feel like you're almost expected. It's like if you do a wild west movie your next movie. Your next movie is going to take place in a drastically different time period, Um, like, and then then your next one will be the World War Two or your your space movie, your jungle movie, whatever. And it just feels weird, looking at the arc of his career, to have these two movies in a row. Um, I don't know that I think. I don't think. No, I don't think it's a problem, I just think it's interesting. Um, I guess. I mean it makes sense from the perspective of it, like wanting to be a sequel and then not being. Yeah, and also I would say, I would say that this and Django feel very different from each other, even though this started as a Django like side call or sequel like, because Django is like an action movie and this is a mystery like rope sort of thing. Who Done it? And it it just it takes place in a drastically different setting. It's you know, it's all in one setting. That's that's the deal. Well, it's mostly in one setting, but Um, yeah, and I think that stylistically, I mean the movie was all shot on one wide Lens, like it was all the same Lens, which he likes. His crash zooms and all that and none of that is this. It's I don't remember, but it was the same lens that was used on it's a mad, mad, mad world, Um, and they had to the refurbish them. Is Probably Pretty Wise. It was. It was very wide, Um, and they had to reconfigure it in everything. Um, but it's all shot on that one lens because he basically wanted I don't know if I can remember where he said this, I can't, but Um, he was basically like why people one people were asking why did you use like such a wide lens for like close ups and also for like wide exterior shots, and he's like, well, why can't a shot be exploring the architecture of Samuel Jackson's face, which you know? Sure, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I'm fine with that. You know how you said earlier about how this movie isn't color graded, or not digitally color graded. Oh wait, I mean, yeah, well, is it? Well, what's what is it? What do you mean? What was your correction there? Well, I mean it's there's still a process of color correcting it. Um, it's just before computer days. The way that they would do it is you would add a whole a hue of like Magenta to the whole frame. So there is no like Oh, that's kind of in shadow in the corner, let's brighten that spot up. That all digital color grading. Um,...

...there was always color timing and stuff like that, but that's it's not the same thing this. Do you ever, like, are you ever looking on instagram and it'll be like someone thinking that they're showing you how to color grade and it'll just be like a turtle and the turtle will just look like bland, but then they'll color grade it and it'll look like so overly vibrant. Then you're like that looks nice on my eyeballs, but like, I kind of don't care because you just showed me how fake it was. Sure, and I like that. This isn't that? Yes, it's the yeah, I mean, I definitely like how so part you don't. You don't seem to give a funk about my comments. So you so let's hear you give me. You give me some closing remarks and then we'll hit the rading. Trent, I care so much about your comments. They're just so insightful. Um, but I guess my closing thoughts are I really I enjoy this movie. Um, it's a pretty good movie. That could be a great movie. That isn't because he just couldn't help himself for that first hour and I think that that really brings the pace down, brings the story down, and I don't know, I'm coming off pretty harsh on this movie. I think I'd rate it, I would recommend it. It is rewatchable. Just maybe, just like, I don't know, like go make dinner during the first hour, because you probably won't miss much. Um, where does this fall? Is this like bottom three? I have? I don't know if I have the list ready. I would I'm in the minority and that I don't care for kill Bill Volume One and I've never seen kill bill volume two, so this is below that for me. This is below. Oh sorry, it's it's it's it's better than, definitely below inglorious basterds, jungle and chain, once upon a time, pulp fiction and reservoir dogs, the s the s tier stuff. Given that I've named five movies, I guess this and this is supposed to be the eighth movie, but he's made nine movies technically, because Gilbill is one movie, I guess. So this is in the bottom three or four. I guess I haven't seen Jackie Brown and haven't seen death proof. Not to Hark on this too much, but when you put yourself in an interesting position, when you make two movies with similar subject matter in a row and the first one is really, really great and then the second one is just a little less good, and then it's like, oh, that was really good, not as good as the other one from that's very similar to this. So if anyone that were like, I'm gonna Quentin Tarantino Western mood, I feel like you're reaching for Django unchained off the shelf, I know I would. The opening of Django and chained is so much more exciting. I agree. Um, Oh yeah, I was gonna give this like a seven. I like it, but this would be like an eight to eight point five if that hour was like half an hour. I don't think there's any reason this movie needs to be significantly longer than two hours. I don't think there's enough story for it. I think there's a guilty pleasure he takes in making his movies really long and making us watch two men hammer in posts into the snow for like twenty minutes. Like I think that it would not be an overexaggeration to say that that's like a three minute long. I don't know the exact thing is, but it feels like five minutes long of just people hammering it in anyways. What about you? Wait, we didn't play the sound effective? No, we didn't. We didn't say the word Gauntlet. Okay, Trent, I want you to do the whole the sound effect, but I want, because we've already entered it, play it like really fast, like like speed it up the sound. Well, we're still going to give our creating some recommendations, but I already have. So actually, I'm not recommend it. It's really good. Um, rewatchable. Yes, because I watched it also for interview with the editor, the associate editor, Um, and that was only a few weeks ago and it still hits. I'm gonna give it like a seven point five because it's really...

...good, but it's not in the uppersh of his movies. That's all. My Body is hot the yes, no, not in that way. The air is thick, oh my. But yeah, all right, guys, we did the movie. Sorry about this episode. This is this. We recognize that this is maybe not one of our better ones. But, guys, we pushed through for you. It was either released the episode on time and we're really tired and delirious and unopinionated, or we're in a better state of mind and we released it a week late. Guys were content creators and we're gonna push out that content. Um, it's jaws that we're working after this right. Yeah, we're doing the jaws mini series with a special guest, hopefully, Um, hopefully recording that soon, so you will have that to listen to next week and you can listen to that on Apple podcasts, spotify, stitcher, Amazon, Pandora, wherever you freaks listen to this podcast. It is there. Um, please tell your friends about us. It helps, and maybe give us a good review on apple music and give us a good rating on spotify and again, all those podcasting apps that we are on. We are on instagram and twitter. Go follow us there. We post updates, we do fun little things and I think that's it. Join US FOR JAWS summer starting next week. Trent. The summer's ending, but the but the sharks, but it's but the sharks. They're coming there only beginning for for four weeks. Sharks, jaws one just to draws three. I think, guys, Trent is operating, operating on a very low, low, low lovel goodbye. Did that little lady why? They called him the hangar. When the handbill says dead or alive, the rest of US shoot you in the back up on top of perch somewhere. I bring in dead over south. But when John Ruth, the hangman, catches you, you don't have no bullet in the back. When the hangman catches you, you hang.

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