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Episode 10 · 2 years ago

SORRY TO BOTHER YOU (2018) Discussion

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Parth and Trent discuss their feelings on Sorry to Bother You.

Edited by Parth Marathe

So, Trent, what have you been eating recently? Part this is the latest we have ever chatted digitally. It's a true yeah. So, well, little late night chit chat with Trent and parth. What a treat for context listeners. Were recording this at twelve thirty five in the AM. Yeah, so it's officially tomorrow now, it's true. Well, to answer your question, I was just feasting upon a Buffalo Kissidia from paradidal gridle, the restaurant I work at. It's very good. You should go there, give them your money, support small business. It's funny because they call it a dia on the menu, like di L and, which I always wonder, like, why not just call it a cause Adilla, like it's not like that's a trademarked like coin term like. I don't know why the needlessly making up this abbreviation. You know, it's a case of Dia Right, said again. It's not cause Adilla, it's case Adia. Oh, yes, that I was doing my Caucasian pronunciation obstionally. Well, what have you eaten? I had some eggs for dinner. Oh, it'll the old fashioned dinner eggs. Hmm, are you like a medieval of old king with? Why? Well, I had really scrambled. How are they served? They were scramped. They were pretty much scrambled. My mom made them for me and I had them with like, I guess Indian flatbread would be the what I could hear samply describe it as struck the majority of your meals. I'm now that we're at home. Yeah, go, you go her. Shout out to her, all the MOMS. They're part. I was a really,...

...really cast a wide brush there, including all the MOMS. I was just focusing on Miss Mrs Marate, I like to pant her, because she's a keeper part. We both know it. I'm glad you're mentioning this right now. Moving on, was it good your meals? It was the most filling dinner I've had in a while and I don't know, I'm it's late now, so by the time we're over with this I might be hungry again. But I run an article today and it said that like a hundred percent of humans tested have microplastics in their internal I saw that. You saw that. Is that wild? Yeah, do you think we are included in that? I mean mostly statistically. It seems like if it says one hundred percent. Probably. Yeah, we can't be discluded. I mean it's a pretty inclusive group all in much like us. So part do you drink from plastic water bottles? Not really know. I generally I drink like tap water, basically. I mean I have like my fridge which has a filter in it, but like, I don't, I don't really drink from water bottles. I'm happy for you. I feel like people who go out of their way to use excess plastic are like repubs, you know. HMM. Well, enough politics. Let's move on to the meat and potatoes of the program Q. The intro. Welcome back to our PODCAST, craft services, where we talk about movie in the movies and films. Each week we discussed a different film.

Last week we talked it Doug M Emmett, the cinematographer. Sorry to bother you, what a treat that was. He was a lovely man. We enjoyed him thoroughly and he was involved with the film will be discussing today. Sorry to bother you, directed by boots Riley and parth. Take it away. Well, we talked about the Synopsis Of this movie and the production history in our last episode. So if you haven't listened to that I have a car. I have a correction to make from something I said incorrectly in the last episode. Oh, I said that Patton Oswald was the white voice actor for Dainty Glover's character, but that's wrong it he is the voice of the mustache, Bowler Hat I patch guy, you know. Yes, so I wanted to correct my my vocal slander, you know in disc you're describing, to clear my name. I didn't want angry fans as from the street's about my minor imperfections. Speaking of angry fans, we have accumulated some one star reviews of this movie on IMDB and I think Trent here wants to tell us about them. Thank you for that introduction. The title is, to this review, a terrible movie. The content reads an interviewer saying it is thought provoking, socially current or relevant in any way. Is Such and above the surface type of person. It scares me. This was not a funny, interesting movie in the least bit. The character dynamics are not at all new or compelling, but it's a cliche and predict a ball. I'm shocked to see such you poorly thought it movie with current Ratings Higher Than One star...

...the fact the audience enjoyed this is frightening telling of how intellectually bankrupt society has become. Very profound stuff. Moving on part. You want to take a celebrity shot and read the review you found. Sure sucks hard. How did this movie ever get made? This movie was barely okay, then took a serious plot plummet with the Horse People. I'm not kidding. Worse two hours I've spent in a long time, maybe ever. It's nice of you to not correct the the reviewers spelling arress, because it shows that they are garbage. I we're a show of great integrity. So we're going to relay exactly what he said. Orp She I don't remember, but yeah, we're all about sighting our sources here. Given the credit where it's due. The Third Review reads O Horse Penis, with the e subdoubt for an Asterisk, so treating penis as a curse word that can't be written in text. That's all for that. What's next? Well, I guess now would be our time to say what our initial feelings were on this movie. Tell me, parth, give me your feelings. I love this movie. When you see it the se in theaters, no realize. Yeah, I bought this movie like on a blind by at best buy because it was on Blu Ray. Yes, ma'am, it was there for like ten bucks and I was like, I've heard this is really is this like in two thousand and eighteen or two thousand and nineteen? I think two thousand and eighteen, but it could have been two thousand and nineteen. So don't quote me on any of this.

But but I saw it, I heard it, I heard it was really good and so I decided to just buy it and bold I watched it just really randomly one night and I was taken aback by it. But even then I was like not in a bad way. I was just like superme blown away by like what I just seen, because it's like it's all too process. It throws everything at you in terms of like the send. First Time I saw it I was very confused and it was on the big screen and I kind of just walked away feeling flustered. But watching it today on my laptop, knowing what was going to happen, felt so comfortable and Nice. So I think this is a movie that definitely deserves secondary and tertiary watches because, yeah, I mean, I've seen this movie, I think, three or four times by this point, so it is only my first revisitation the part of you one. Here a fun fact about my relationship with this movie, please. When I saw it in theaters, I had my wallet stolen, so I'll never forget. Oh my gosh, yes, I had my bad motherfucker pull fiction wallet in the Cup holder the movie theater and I get up having forgotten it there for but just a second, and then I'm like walking into the lobby and then I remember that I left it there and then I come back and it's gone. So some somebody snatched it, but luckily I only had like two dollars in cash, so I'm sure they just stole it for the Wallet. And then you just like cancel your cards and then you go to the DMV and you get a new license, and then go to the library and replace Your Library Card and go to Td Bank and get new TV bank card. But then you're back in action, baby, very good. All right. So, but what were your initial viewings now that you've revisit it? Um, I don't think I gave this movie and of...

...credit before. Beforehand. I really enjoyed everything about it and you. Yeah, I mean I my my opinions in the positive of only grown basically each time I've seen it. Do you have any negatives worth worth noting? Well, I guess we can just get straight into our direction thoughts. Yeah, is what a directorial debut? Yeah, and I mean aren't you strideries to see what comes next? Very I mean, when we talked a him, it was talking about the TV show that he's working on exactly, and I think it shows that this is done by a music video director, because he's done a bunch of those and it's just music videos are supposed to be really striking visually, like you've got like your David fincher's and your Michael Bays and like many directors come from music videos and they generally tend to have a really striking visual language. HMM. And Yeah, I mean it boots rare. The only ever done music videos to my like knowledge. I'm sure he might have done like short films and stuff like that, but he'd never done like, like worked like second unit on a direct and another director's movie, I think, or something like that. So the budget being three point two million dollars, it's it's utilize so well, I've the the sets are so nice. They always have like a lot of extras. The I think the production value is very high. Yeah, I mean talking on the production design. It's, I think, something that gets overlooked a lot is production design, because I don't think people understand how important it is for like the look of...

...a movie. Like when we talked with when Thomas, he basically said he and the cinematalk, the production designer and the cinematographer, are the two people most responsible for the visual look of the movie, and this has such like vibrant colors and interesting designs and pretty much everything. Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but it's totally a love letter to Oakland, which I think is it's presented so well. Yeah, and the the city has so much personality. For sure. I think if there's one negative to have with the movie, it's it is the direction. Own Own only because I think I don't have a problem with it. But if I had to have an issue with it, it's that it is a lot the whole time. There's not really I like high energy movies like that. No, I agree, I'm not a problem with me. It's not a problem for me. It's just I can see somebody watching this being like there was absolutely like no time that I could call cool down a bit. This is something of a cultural divide in like people who feel really strongly one way or another, but uncut gems, because some people just can't handle like two hours straight of like like blood pumping pressure and so they dislike the movie, but other people can take the heat and it's really, really great. So I feel like that might be the same thing here, where just like can you hang? Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with like intention like if a movie doesn't have any time to cool down but it requires it, then like yeah, that's a problem. But in a movie like this or uncut gems or something where the like propulsivity of the like pace and and it just continuous movement of it is the point, like then it's doing it successfully.

You know, it's it's meant to be that way. So it's it's all about intentionality. I think. I feel like the only major don't the only major thing critics might not like about this movie is it's political message. If for some reason you're anti union or anti like capital exploitation, then I guess you wouldn't like the message of this movie if you are pro capital listic exploitation. Oh yeah, correct, but other than that, I see it's so like. I Love Army Hammer in this movie, Don't you? And the Keith Standfield is so good. I think everybody in this movie is really good and perfectly cast. Right. Yeah, and it's I can't I can imagine it being a hard movie to like perform because it's so zany and out out there that it's like you don't really know where you're supposed to stand, like you don't know how how big you're supposed to portray it. Yeah, it's an interesting suspension of disbelief because you're kind of going back and forth of like what is believable exactly, and it's like in the age, takes place in a realistic die G se's but who obviously try to film. Two words. Also, some supernatural events take place where you have to wonder part. Don't you love? The advertisements, like the commercials throughout the this movie, like, Oh, yeah, I get the shit kicked out of me. Is that correct? Yes, and also the Stop motion like instructional video that army hammers company shows to La Keith after he snorts, the like the horse powder. You know you know I'm talking about? I sure do. Yeah,...

...that's really awesome. I feel like it's like the the commercials role in Robo Cop, if you know I'm talking about. I've never seen Robo Cop. Well, I still think it as it really like diversifies the I don't know, just it's such a nice like in between piece. You know, it's really good transition and I love how much they they brought in the world through it and it just like to see they're advertising. I guess it's widening the scope and understanding of the characters. Yeah, and I think it's completely like within the films, like tone and they help. I think there's base because it was done on a three point two million dollar budget. I think things like that really help make the world feel more expensive, like because it has like its own television programming and like you can see through the like ridiculousness of the ads what kind of world they're living in, and it helps you, it helps bring you into like reality of the situation, which is like I guess, if to go back to like the direction, it's I'm so surprised that this is a directorial debut, even if you were like an incredibly experienced music director, because it's it's it's very, very different. I feel like it just has so much spunk. It's so one of a kind. Yeah, like I there is not a single movie you could use to explain what this movie is like. Like the the I love the color scheme and shout out to dug mf for the SOMOTIGRAPHY because it's really beautiful and I don't know, it just has such a unique feel. One another aspect I love,...

...yes, please, when Cassius is doing the calls with the people the tell marketer place and he like drops into their homes and they have a facetoface conversation. I think that's such a nice touch. It's little things like that and it's like it's so meticulously crafted in that way, you know, like visually and and now that we're both in film school and I had to make our own like short films and things like that, it's really hard to plan that well for a short film, let alone like a three million dollar feature film. So I think a lot of credit has to be given to him and it's it's there's very few movies where you can see that. Is it is so singularly the creative vision of one person. Well, as we talked about the production history, it's creation is such an interesting story in that he had the idea and then you couldn't afford to make a new movie, so I made into an album and then he published the script and then it like gain traction and then like it got made. I really wonder how they secured funding for it. Yeah, me too. But the fact that he wanted to tell the story so bad that he put it into music first, that probably influenced the the musical design for the movie. I can only imagine. For sure, I think they'd be remiss if they didn't include a song from the album in the movie. Oh, I'm sure they have. I think one of the cool things, one of the things that I think would maybe take somebody out of the movie is the design of the horses. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are lost at the horses, people who are on the edge, who I feel like people who watch the trailer aren't prepared...

...for what they are about to get handed and you lose them at the horses. They thought they signed up for something predictable. Hmm, I think it's something that would improve upon a second viewing because it's it is so out of left field. Kind of, like I said, knowing what to expect is nice and then being able to appreciate all like the Easter eggs and like the like, the bread crumbs laid like along the way, and this the other horse details. It's not like it's something that comes completely out of left field. Really, when you look at the movie, it's a it's a like it's not so much a twist as it is a revelation and it's it's something that is completely in keeping with the tone of the movie at that as it was at that point, and it's something that like further's the message and theme of the movie. I feel by definition, introducing the horse stuff changes the genre. It like makes it a sci fi movie rather than like, I don't know, a drama or comedy. I mean, I don't know. I don't think it's a SCI FI movie. I mean, what would you consider it? I know, as we discussed, it's famously genre bending, but if you had to put into a box it, it has sci fi elements, but I would say that it is a black comedy. Yeah, I think that's fair, because it has sci fi elements. But I think Scifi in it's like purest form, is very this movie is about like humanity, I guess, but it it's about how technology affects humanity and things like that, whereas this isn't really about that. This is about how humanity affects humanity. And you think sci Fi's focused on extra terrestrials, not not,...

...not necessarily extraterrestrials, but I mean like like a movie like x Mockinga that has not that there's no aliens in that, but that uses technology. Well, Sciflaw, Scifi is really an umbrella term. It's really quite a wide net to cast. Yes, I mean there are people that consider star wars SCI FI, which I don't what you think. It's a space opera, that's space fantasy. Wow, that's really their son. Quite a narrow distinction. Well, I mean, I mean not to get so off topic, but Star Wars has more akin with Lord of the rings than it does Star Trek. You know who. That's a that's an interesting sentence you just said, because I think like thematically, besides the fact that they both take place in space, the the fact that they take place in space is the only thing that is similar. About them. I know nothing about Star Trek or Lord of the Rings. So you take you do. You've never seen Lord of the Rings. I've nursten run rings and I've only seen the one JJ Abrams Star Trek movie, which I enjoy it. Yeah, well, here's the thing. I've never seen you that the TV show or any of the extended lore the JJ Abrams movies kind of make. Are there several of them? There's two. There's to Jj Abrams movies and then the third movie was directed by Justin Lynn, who did many of the fast and furious movies, and it's actually really good. How many movies are their total? Are they still making them? There's only three right now. There was going to be a fourth one, but then there was like contract disputes and the third one didn't make a lot of money. But to get back to point, I...

...think that if you look at I mean if we're going to get on the topic of genre, it's got more to do with I don't know if tropes is the right word, but sort of like conventions of a certain type of story, and Star Wars and Lord of the rings are very similar in their journeys. They're very action oriented. There very it isn't super cerebral, it's more visceral, whereas Star Trek, when it was made, the the s show and the next generation, was supposed to be an optimistic view of the future in which humanity has surpassed like all problems within humanity. There's no like wars between nations and things like that, and that what what they do is they basically the federation is a peacekeeping organization that goes around the universe to try and find more planets and species and things like that and how to maintain peace throughout the universe. But basically it's it's more of a each episode is like, Oh, we land on this planet and these people do this and they have this dilemma and how do we solve this? So all the disagreements come from how to solve a problem, not interpersonal relationships, which then gets changed. He distinction, which then gets changed later down the road when Star Trek becomes only about personal relationships and the science is sort of not really important. But my point is genre is a weird thing and to bring it back to sorry to bother you, it's it's interesting because it has elements of comedy,...

...it has elements of kind of tragedy. It has elements of SCIFI absurdism. I don't know if I'd classify this as an art house movie, but it's got some shit in it that's like what's this that's not mainstream of an art house movie? I have no fucking clue. I'm glad you use that term without knowing the definition. I feel like it's a type of word where it's the type of thing where it's like, I feel like people understand that. They kind word that you don't really know and you hope for the best. The known questions your motive. Yes, no, I mean it's type of thing where it's like, you know how there are words where it's like we all kind of know what this word means, but if you ask me to define it, I wouldn't really know what to define it as. Yeah, sorry to put you on the spot. No, no, it's okay. So sorry, there you are. You sorry to have bothered me. Okay, calm down. There's some of their cast members. I wanted to shout out Tessa Thompson. That I the female lead, is clearly really great. I'm I hope to see her and other stuff. I've never seen her anything before. The Cherry Cruise. or She's in Thor three, the raging rock. Yeah, wasn't that director Tayco Wa Titi? Yeah, everyone loves that movie, but I know that they say it's the best of the thors. I don't think it is really part that's a bold claim. I like the first or a lot. I like thor three a lot, but I think thor one is the best of the three's. And and then there's Terry crews, who reminded me of everyone hates Chris. Did you watch that show? Everybody Hates Chris? And yes, I did. I like it a lot. And Stephen, you and remind me of my walking dead days. We've all been there. What's Danny Glover in? Isn't he like one of the...

COPS and lethal weapon is not a thing he's he is the cop starring a alongside is that ant I said, and Anti Semite Mel Mel Gibson? I really can't enjoy hacks are ridge anymore. When I after I found out I was directed by Mel Gibson. Also, that movie is so religious and he is very Christian. It all makes sense now. I think everybody is perfectly cast. There's nobody out to really change I think everybody plays it the way they should and I don't know, Trent, do you have any more like story thoughts or should be do you think in the Third Act, you're upon initial viewing, you're expected to think that he's going to turn into a horse? Because I totally suspected that. But they leave it open the chance as if he won't. Like they intentionally state in the educational video that it only works with seventy percent of people. So it's basically saying he could get through this, Trent, he turns into a horse at the end. Yeah, yeah, I know, but I'm saying, when you're watching it, are you led to believe that that's going to happen to him? No, I didn't, because I thought that they would have just done it when the whole when he gets rescued. It's weird. Has How there's that much of a gestation period. Yeah, but it's a gradual process, but it seems to have a really delayed response. Hey Man, these drugs ain't perfect. All right, let's the sign ratings. You go first, rights come. I'm going to give this movie the highest rating that I've handed out thus far, nine out of ten. I give it a nine out of ten too. Well, it's nice to be in the same page. What stops it from...

...a ten out of ten? Um? I think I would know if it was the ten out of ten, but I like this movie enough to have nothing to complain about, so I think that's a good sign on all accounts. So what's going to be our next episode? Tell the people our next episode is going to be on gone girl, and we brought along an editorial consultants on it, Vashi Niedomansky. What a treat. He was a great guy. We loved his company. So make sure to stick around for our next episode and we'll see you next week. Tune in.

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