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Episode 38 · 1 year ago

THE KING OF STATEN ISLAND (2020) Discussion with Chloe Dittloff

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Trent and Parth expose a high level academic cheating scandal. We also touch on The Room, Good Will Hunting, and socioeconomic struggles in underserved communities.  

Edited by Trent Algayer

Ah tramp, what have you been eating today? I saw you cut your fingers over your mouth and I was like, I knew you were going to do the the band voice. It was awesome. Can you briefly do your joker voice while we're here? Just give the people what they want. We have a GAST CHLOE DIT law and cheah allows this. Chloe did lave. Welcome to the show. First Time appearance. Your friend of part long time, or so long time. Take it back to sophomore, your honors chemistry. Tell US story about parth from high school or not. You don't have to know. I'm so much. Just try to, just to show. Yeah, I'll tell you how um hearth like. We started a friend group together. It was by we were in driver's Ed together and he kind of sat near me and our good friend Claire, and he just kind of turned around without asking and see our driver's I'd packets without we didn't know him. He didn't say anything. You're just take them. That's not true. Of Your No, no part. Want to give your side of the stories. It sounds pretty incriminating. This is genuinely blasphemous. Okay, and our mutual, our mutual good friend, Claire would set the record straight for me, but since she's not here to do that, I'll do it myself. Let's be clear. Did I not know chloe? Yes. Did I steal her packet at driver's at? Yes, but I did not just not say anything. I wasn't. I was a gentleman about it. I said, chloe, you don't mind by take your packet and get the answers right. And she was like, Oh, so you're stealing her and I said yes, and and and it was a it was a good deal. Is what I'd say. Oh wait, so do you think you would have passed driver said without, you know, cheating? Basic? No, no, no, Whoa, whoa. We're saying here on the air. There's evidence. This is like in the social network when he says I'm not suing you for cheating on your art history exam, and now it's you you cheated. Okay, okay, that's well, thanks for asking, Trent. I had pizza most recently. Oh Dude, I also had pizza. Oh my God, we're choice. Is The the first time? If chloe didn't have pizza, that's embarrassing. I did not have people. All right, chloe, it's really been fun having you on the show. Thank you so much, guys. I loved it here. Have a nice day. What did you have? Yeah, I have. I had some soda flavored Jelly beans. While were they? That's tread does not seem happy about that. No, I think me and trender but become enemies on this podcast because jelly beans are one of my favorite candies. So I've never intentionally eaten a jelly bean. What does that have you unintentionally eating a Jelly Bean? No, they're I don't want to get into it here, but they're not good. It's it seems like we feel differently about this. Do you not like chocolate? I mean, good candy exists. Have you not heard about this? I do, but there's something so much fun about like reaching into a bag and you can just take out any flavor you know. So do you eat the one or to eat them one at a time? Or's the whole point to talktail them when at a time? I'm not an animal. So is that is part of the game to determine what kind of flavor they're going for? I think it depends on the bag. For those Soda Shop Line that I have, like no, it's very easy to tell because they're all different colors and there's only like five flavors. So, Chloe, tell me this after this driver's at event. How did you manage to befriend part and what what was your mindset back that? Wow, such a great question. Thank you for asking. We also happen to live in like the same neighborhood. So so we have been right thing. Yeah, we rule the bus together, and then during gym class he would talk to my group of friends and then leave before finding them more athletic group of that's no, that's not true. I wanted to do something you guys ever wanted to do. Okay, okay, okay. I'd be like yeah, guys, let's play tennis together, and you, you, you would all be like MMM, correct, always says I wanted...

...to play tennis. Part. Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I played a three person game of volleyball because Fart not play with us. Want to explain? So, what kind of pizza did you have? Trent, welcome back to our show craft services. We have a podcast. We talked about the movies. Each week we interview someone who worked on a movie that we like this week or last week. Rather, we talked with a screenwriter, Dave Cyrus, who worked on the Kingstown Island, you know, alongside Pete Davison and Judd apatow. They wrote the script and he was really nice. Part. Did you like the interview? I loved the interview. Yep, and if you want, you can go listen to that. But you don't want if you don't want to, then don't. You can just listen to US discuss it here. Chloe parts, childhood friend, is along for the ride. Say Hello, hi, guys, it's me. Okay, so what's your last name, chloe? Do Have One? It's chloe get lost, but please respect my privacy in the future. So, chloe parts said, you really like this movie. I mean, we'll get into the nitty gritty later, but it seemed like the reason you were invited on is because you you're adamant. I can see that. That that like that glimmer in your eye. Yeah, actually, what qualifies me to be here is that I think Pete Davidson is hot. So I texted my friends non stop to watch this movie. Um, but I actually really liked it like a lot, especially on my second rewatch I liked it even more. So I'm so tell me, is it? Is it only because he's hot, like, did you think he was hot before, or like, do watch all of his movies because he's hot, or is this the first time? And do you like his acting, as he kind of plays Pete Davidson himself in every movie? Well, I'M gonna disagree with you a little bit on that, but now I'm fan. I Pete Davidson. I think he's very funny and the reason why I really started watching this stuff is, yes, because he's hot, but I actually really do enjoy his humor and I think he's got a good career as an actor ahead of him. Personally. Oh Oh, I couldn't agree more. I just think it's he's it's undeniable, like how seth Rogan plays some you know, pivoted version of himself, or or Michael Sarah. There are examples. There's some validity to this statement. Do you like him on us? And No, can. I don't want to slander us. An element are like it hasn't been like. No, do it? Do? We only had one of its writers on our show. Go ahead, yeah, do that. Yeah, just last week, chloe. So feel free to just criticize their recent content. Well, I actually love us, and now they've never done anything wrong. It's amazing. Well, I just like think that Um, like, I like Pete on we can update the most, probably, which kind of falls into what Trent was exactly saying about him playing Pete Davidson. But I think he's funny. Yeah, and I think that's all you need out of a comedy. So wait. So, Chloe, riddle me this. Did you purchase it for twenty when it was first released on home video? Now, my parents wouldn't let me. So you mean your parents wouldn't let you? So what was the word? You go from there? And wait, why were your parents so involved? You're an adult, like doing yourself. Listen to wait. So how did you end up watching it? Yeah, I waited till it was on TV in January of Twenty, twenty one, but it seems like you're so desperate. I know, and you can like parking to test this. I was really disappointed. Why didn't you rent on your computer? I don't know, man, all right, I don't know. You interrogated on craft services. So, Trent. Yeah, wait, you want to start? I'd like your heard, like can. I'd like you to stop bullying my friend that we've graciously invited onto the show. If you do that, that be good. I'm not here to bully anyone. I just have some...

...king stunt island question. She she's that she's the resident King of Stat Island expert, and I'm trying to lay the ground work for the conversation that we're about to have. This is the pretext. We haven't move done the production history, the synopsis. And speaking of you, can do you want me to say the synopsis, Trent? Is that what you want me to do? Yeah, please, okay, I'll give it to you. This is a long one for an IMDB synopsis. I know it's usually one sentence and I thought that that was the whole point, but here we've got two sentences and when and more they almost a run on sentence. Here they are. Scott has been a case of arrested development since his firefighter dad died. He spends his days smoking weed and dreaming of being a Tattoo artist, until events force him to grapple with his grief and take his first step forward in life. So it had a budget of thirty five million dollars and a box office, according to Google, of two point two million. But that's, you know, theatrical release and I think we read that it was only in like a few European countries and it did really well on video on demand from people, you know, paying twenty dollars for it. But not only did law right, not that dead law family due to her her strict parental influence. So I'm going to listen to this. So, but they don't release the numbers on how much money movies make via home video. Do they know? I don't think so. So on January twenty, two thousand and nineteen, universal pictures announced that they were going to produce a new film directed by a Judd apatow that starred Pete Davidson. It was going to be written by Appatau, Davidson and Dave Cyrus, with whom we talked, and Appatau and Cyrus also produced the movie. Davidson came to judd APATA's attention when they were working on train wreck. It was also what got him on to SNL and the story is part in part, based on Davidson's real life and it's what might have happened if he had never become a comedian. Principle of photographies began on June third two thousand and nineteen and Satin Island and continued during June and July. It was supposed to have its world premiere at South by southwest on March Thirteen two thousand and twenty, and then that was the day the world shutdown, and so then it was canceled due to Covid nineteen, it was rescheduled to Premiere April Twenty at the Tribeca Film Festival, but that was also canceled, and then it was going to have a theatrical release June nineteen two thousand and twenty, and then that was canceled. Trent hit me with some fun facts. Okay, jet UPTOS, daughter Mad UPTOW, plays Pete Davidson sister in the film. Cool. Steve Boush Emi was actually hugh, who plays one of the older firefighter man, was actually a firefighter when he was in his S, which I didn't know until parth, butout it in the document. And then it talks about how Steve Bushemi. There's a lot of stuff, but Sebshem me being a firefighter here. So then Steve Bush Emi was says he was a I really liked it. I thought it was cool. No, no, it is. And also I really like Steve Bush Emi and I after reading this, it made me so to wonder it. I'm like, Steve Bushemi, it kind of seems like an awesome guy. And why is he he and not that he's the butt of jokes on the Internet? Is it just because his face is like kind of, kind of yes, look in. Is that why people are like printing him out on billboards and stuff? Yes, okay, so I'm more about Steve Bushemi. He was a fireman from nineteen eight, one thousand nine hundred and eighty four and engine fifty five in Manhatt's little Italy. And then, you know, after eleven see Boshemi went back and looked for survivors and the remains at the World Trade Center. Yep, and this was also see Bishemi's first appearance as a firefighter. Just silly, because ste BISHEMI's been in a lot of movies. And then the movie ends with pursued of happiness by kid cutty and Pete Davidson...

...said that the music kid cutty is saved his life. It also has several kid cutty songs throughout the movies. Let makes some sense there. Are we have a feature. We have, you know, a whole portion of the show where we talked about one store reviews part. Is that right? My favorite, my my favorite segment of the show, right, the one that I like? Yeah, the one that there's a running joke about you not liking. That's the one. So joke is a word. Let's get the show on the road. This first one, the name is by Sharon Karen, and like that, like it'd be funny if that were real, but it seems too good to be true. It says, if you like smoking weed and doing hit and runs you think that's funny, you need psychological help. Isn't that the best? Don't don't forget the three exclamation points. Yeah, I like how Sharon Karen. She's just like illegal stuffs happening in this movie unacceptable, because it also called it in an immature movie I've like most movies, involves some sort of crime, often by the protagonists, and you know, it's usually considered okay. This one is from Amazon customer, which is kind of a fortuitous name, given that this was a review done on Amazon, weirdly enough, and it starts with don't waste your money. We started watching the king of Staten Island, but I couldn't watch any more of it. It's just a bunch of losers doing things that losers do, and this movie is really some Vod for some reason, my sister was really enthusiastic about renting it and she rented it and her and my dad watch it and afterwards they asked my dad, hey, how was the movie and he said well, you kind of just hang out Pete Davidson for a while, then there's like a robbery and there's like kind of some romance and there's some family stuff too. It's okay, and I think that was like the Nice version of what this one star review is saying. Yeah, I think, Chloe, it's your time to shine. For the third review, which isn't about the movie at all. Yeah, I agreat. This piece by Samantha Sherwin is entitled Accidental Digital Order. It says somehow accidentally ordered this not sure how when I was not even logged in. I also would late. It made twenty dollars for a rental. I was able to cancel the order by clicking on the movie to watch it and then clicking cancel this order without clicking to watch. Now we wait for a refund. Imagine accidentally renting a movie and the big fuck night at the museum three because I accidentally click the rent button for three hundred and ninety nine for HD. You know, it's not nine of the museum threes fault. We all and you were able to cancel the order and now we wait for a refund, you know. Yeah, and this review was just straight of confusing to that wording. Yet something else, chloe, I was gonna say you who. You articulated really well, a problem we have on the show at the on ser reviews, because often they're written in rage and you know, people don't complete the words, or they probably you don't prove free like a rage, a rage review, and it's hard to go back. Let you know, Hindsight's two thousand and twenty. People aren't in the best frame of mind when you're writing a one star review. Is it time to get into thoughts, Trent Chloe, are we ready? It? Sure already. Yeah, we're twenty minutes into our movie podcast. I guess would be a good time to start discussing the movie. Chloe, you're our guest, our esteemed guest, and resident drivers said Helper. Yes, wait, did you, guys. All pass drivers said, by the way, I got a ninety eight, baby, a ninety eight. CONGRATS, chloe. Well, I'm do you want to share your score, or is not now a bad time? Was it less than a ninety eight? Because I'm normal, I don't remember what I got them driver's in. But yes, it wasn't a plus. Wait part. Are you can? Did you cheat on the final exam? Also, no, I did not endy. This was not. This was not. I did not cheat on an assessment. It was just a packet that we had to fill out.

It was class work. I want it? I don't. I don't want my high school diploma taken away. Guys, I'm in fear. So, chloe, besides Pete Davidson, I mean Pete Davidson being an attractive man, can't. Can't refute you on that was what led you to the movie. But I think if, if it was a bad movie, you probably would have few would have just been like, yeah, he was hot in a bad movie, but you wouldn't be here talking about it. If he was hot in a bad movie. You think he was hot in a good movie and elaborate on that more on the good movie part than the hot part, of course, of course. Um, yeah, I really liked this movie. I tend to like this genre of kind of like coming of age with a morally gray character that doesn't really know what they want to do in life, you know, like lady bird, the I just seventeen, like I'm saying, like Hey, time on. That's even on this podcast. Chloe, chloe's also a big Matt Damon Fan. Well, yeah, she, I mean, we're all alive, or all living humans, like, I mean, anyone with a heartbeat isn't Matt Damon Fan. So true. So, Chloe, are you big judd apatow fan, because I feel like you just describe the kind of movie he he famously makes, and this is, you know, another movie by him. So, yeah, personal confession. This is my first Rodeo with him. I'm sorry, guys, Oh my okayxciting. Well, what you but what you think? Well, well, let me let me get the first to tell you the rest of his movies, or kind of like this. It seems like you would like them. Since many people can, I guess I'll. So you haven't seen, you know, super bad. I love books were but he did. He didn't direct Super Bad. He didn't direct Super Bad, would he? WOULD HE PRODUCED SUPER BAD? Yeah, yeah, I feel like he's a more famous and prominent producer than he is a direct writer, director, I mean as successful. He would disagree with that. Okay, wait, but chloe, saw, you saw books smart, which I liked also. But I think a you know, a shallow review, as I think you were about to say with something like yeah, female Super Bad. This is not what I was going to say. I was going to say people compare it to Super Bad. Oh well, I think. Well, I mean Beingie felt seene is, you know, related to Jonah Hill, so I mean that there are parallels to be drawn. But yeah, I've heard the the books. More people be like hey, you know, stuck, you know, we're just because we're two girls walking around, that doesn't make us like the one two guys walking around movie were own thing, and understand that, but I understand you also watch this movie. Yeah, I watch it again this morning. I wasn't pop parth told me that we had a really a heartfelt guest coming on. He's like, Hey, I know you feel kind of indifferent about the film, so just take it easy on dear chloe. I did, but say that I did not say that, but I watched it again this morning and I really had a change of heart. I don't know if it just caught me at a good time. I have some flaws, but they're I think, on the whole, I'm really happy this movie got made and I think, Chloe, obvious you've never seen a jettappatow movie, but I think in terms of the movies that he makes, I think that this is one of the better ones. I think that he really ups his game and like a visual style and it like looks really nice and I think he's got a really good focus in this one. I think sometimes he has the problem of just sorting sort of letting his stories run a Muck, and I think with this one he's telling like a real story and and you know, I think Davidson is obviously the star of the show and he's very good, I would say. Well, this speaking of Jut out oftow movies famously running a muck. As you said, common complaint is that it's thirty minutes too long, and I think one could. I mean this movie is about two hours and fifteen minutes and I've heard people say that this one is fifteen minutes too long, and I think we'll get into later that. We really like...

...the the general touch and feel, but there are just some subplots that aren't as thoroughly explored. But to hang out with Pete Davidson for a few hours it ain't half bad. Well, what were the things that you wanted to be more explored? I'm saying that there were things, you know, like like the robbery an average view or like my father even he said, you know, they kind of got into a romance. Miss I think at the core it's a family movie. It's about Pete, his mom bill Burr, and they're sort and stuff out and pets, you know, becoming a man and again over the firefighter stuff. The firefighter's I was also very central. And then I understand how you need like the friend group as a framework to like introduce them to the world and show that that's like what's dragging him down or whatever and that, you know, he like got away from going to jail. I think on the whole, some seeings go on too long. I think there's certain like bits were because obviously apatow likes his Improv and he just sort of keeps going sometimes, and I think some scenes could be cut even just like a minute or like thirty seconds shorter, and it might make it a little bit stronger. But I would actually say my biggest I mean, I guess we're fully into spoiler territory, but my biggest issue with the movie is the ending, because I think it ends too abruptly. I don't have an issue with anything that happens at the end, but I think that it ends like I was almost shocked that that was where it ended. Close. You, Cancur, you're giving me, you're giving me, you're giving me grimaces. You'RE gonna be the same grimace when I said, chloe, would you be so kind as to give me your driver's Ed packet, and you said, part, get the fuck out of my face. I don't fucking want you to touch me. I did say that. That is true. They just rush a lot of progress at the end and they're like, well, he it seems like he's put some effort into carrying, carrying about this girl, and now the movies over, when s yeah, I understand, he's starting to turn things around now, like I love the ending. I love that kind of uncertain feel you have. I also love how, like even just like the vibe feels different, like when he walks out into New York and he looks up, like the lighting just feels like it's a string, like a much more warmer glow than in like Stan Island, and like, I don't know, I really liked it because I feel like the whole point is that you don't really know what is like what will do with his life afterwards, like you don't know like how far we'll go and making amends, but you can see like it's a start and I think it just like really signifies that there's a new beginning to be had, but it's not for us to know. It's an interesting take, I think. My my well, no, I don't. I don't disagree. I think that my my issue with it is that, for me at least, didn't feel as intentional. It kind of felt a little bit more like we filmed there. There is maybe another fifteen minutes that we had and we kind of cut that and it felt a little it felt like it was supposed to be a happy ending, but a sort of like like good will. Hunting is another example of a movie that sort of ends on a somewhat ambiguous nature. We're not entirely sure where the character is going, but we've sort of tracked the main characters journey, so we kind of understand how he's grown and I kind of feel like we get the scene with him and the girlfriend at the end on the train and there's maybe like another ten minutes of him doing something. I'm not entirely sure. No, I don't know entirely sure. I'm not entirely sure of what I want, but I felt like I just wanted something. I'm agreeing with you. Part its agree. I won't. I want one more I want one more step before we get there. I want like I want like a five minute scene, just like like put a little cherry on top. You're making lots of sounds right now. It's good, cousin agreeing with yourself. I disagree with yourself. Says an odd phenomenon that I was thinking about watching this movie. I was like it's a comedy, yes,...

...and you know so. There are several layers of jokes and it's like, I feel like the outright trying to make you laugh. So a joke that I thought that they really thought or they're really trying to force to make funny was and I did not think worked was, you know, Pete Davidson texting them when the robbers happen and he was like you up, want to fuck? I laughed, so on and so forth. Then it was fun. It's because they needed to make the phone ring a bunch of times, I understand. But basically I was like, I think this is a funny movie and it made me laugh five to ten times while we'll viewing it alone on my broken laptop. So that's pretty good. But none of those times were when I thought, like we talked to Dave Cyrus, you know, the writer, and we talked about some of our favorite moments, and most of them were just like little sprinkle on the day, things that weren't ever in the script. And I obviously these are a lot of funny people involved, and I just thought like the under the breath moments were really what got me rather than, you know, some of the overwritten parts. But it's a comedy and so you have to fill the time with jokes and in no comedy is there really a hundred percent success. Right, I was fine with that joke. But but like I do agree that, like I think, especially with Pete Davidson and Bill Burr, the the majority of the things that are funny are just sort of how they react to things rather than like actual plot points, and I think like Bill Burr, I like him as much as Pete Davidson in this movie. I was going to say that the first time around I was just mystified. I was like, mercytime a bill Mur will excuse me. The the first the first eighty percent of Bill Murray. I Know Bill Burr and I was like this is a crazy Hollywood romance in balance. But after I was able to look past his mustache, I was like he's really funny, Chloe, you gave me a face you didn't like builder on this movie. No, no, at first I was just shocked to hear that sentence and then I thought about it and on my second rewatch, like someone to the experienced Trent had, I was like, wow, he liked is actually really serving. You know, billber is not my favorite actor, but I really think like this was a role that was like made for him, I think. Yeah, and I think that's kind of the case with like the majority of these acts. I mean I think that's something apatow's pretty good at, his sort of casting people so that they're not really acting kind of because billber kind of is that like kind of angry, kind of trying to be nice but not very good at it, like kind of person, and I think that, like he my problem with some of his other movies is that he kind of has a sentimental Oh, you know, we're trying to do the right thing, or like they're really not that bad angle towards a lot of his character is, but it kind of feels forced or tacked on at the end of a movie or in the Third Act or something like that. And I think something that they do really well in this movie is taking, you know, the overall premise of the movie is a really sad you know, like Pete Davidson's dad died or like his carrot Scott's dad died. Yeah, they say that in the first and it's and I think it it helps to sort of Impu the whole thing. Like at its core there is a sort of happy sad complex going on that I really like and I think that he's able to take that out of Bill Burr and Pete Davidson in a really good way and I think that they're able to play off of each other in very interesting ways. Part I had this thought during the movie and I was like, I know that this is the intention of every actor, but I was like, I feel like, and this moment particular, all the actors are, all the characters on screen are just like little, you know, slanted versions of the actors, and isn't that like the definition of, you know, good type casting? And I thought that that was...

...very effective. Another thing. This time I thought the kid actors were so fucking goods you, and you know, most time I hate kid actors and I just thought that they were so endearing and funny and a really, really good addition. On a tattoo, your tough guy. Sure, Young Guy, you want a tattoo. Yeah, Dude, kid wants a tattoo. That's my God, Bro. Yeah, you can't give them the tattoos and the well, I gotta practice on something. He seems old enough. You're tough guy. Yeah, you are Badass. Come on, show those muscles, kid, come on. Yeah, there we go. What's your name? Harold? I'MNA call you Harry, so it's Harold Hell. Yeah, I like this kid. I need him in my life. Yes, structure, I don't think that's a good idea. I mean, we don't listen anything you said. I mean, why do you even try to give us advice? What do you want? Tattoo of the punisher? The polisher? Kay, that's top man. He could have said anything he said the punisher. You know, I've not seen this movie three times now, and this movie, you know, opens with the scene of Pete Davidson, you know, behind a wheel, and what's good? I've never quite understood what that scenes going for. Um, do you want to you want to stander ground here? Yeah, you know, as the writer of this scene, means lasting. But Um, now, I just think that like that was the way to establish like that this character, you know, has a lot going on, and I think it is, I was just his personality to some extent because, like you, kind of have like this impulsive and like, I don't want to say selfish, for that seem particular, but like not with much regard to his surroundings, and I feel like it was like a great way to kind of establish how he's going to act in this movie, with a self centered not not necessarily selfish, but like he he's de definitely thinking about himself most, for sure, and I also think to someone great was like, you know, it's a nice shot to like him in the car with like all. I don't know any it's a visually nice way to start, and I think you know the lack of dialog until he starts like sorry, I'm sorry, I don't know. That really got me when I first watch it. Over, this isn't just going to be funny. Okay, yeah, I I agree with your take on that, chloe. Thanks so much more. Thanks much. I hate to have a spontaneous, unrehearsed moment on the show ahead, but part of the checked my front I check on our instagram, though, we pleaded out to our followers saying, Hey, let us know what kind of movies you want to talk about, and I'm gonna put this person on blast. But at Amelia Francois, she said do promising young woman. We did. I'll it happened to several months ago. They're two episodes. It's Almo frontsois and yes, all it's completely fair to put her on blast. One of my favor interviews. I'd recommend it to Mary White, Speller Wallace. It was a good time. You know unit's still photographer. I'm a but you know what I'm really happy about, Trent, is that I'm glad that on air you sort of told us that when other people are talking, you're kind of like Pete Davidson in this movie at the very beginning. It was a really good way of saying it together. You're not paying attention to what's happening around you. Chloe could be talking, I could be talking. The podcast, as we know it could be done and you just wouldn't know because you'd be on your phone looking at what Omii Francois was saying. Right part. The funny thing about this is that when we're doing our interviews with our celebrity guests, you are playing run that's not true. On Cool Math Gamescom part is always playing run three. When we are interview only only the first few, only the first true Beastie, he's always playing run three. It's not a shot, it's not a sign of disrespect, okay, trust me, part says. It's a layer of...

...white mois that he needs to distract himself with. Unbelievable. What kind of a grown man can't afford his own apartment in stat n island? I can lose it. He lost all our money gambling, he is homeless, he's penniless and he's a dead beat dad. What is your mom doing with him? You know, my mom hasn't gotten late in seventeen years, so I think our bar is pretty low really. Yeah, he's good and bad. I hate to say it. All right, I didn't really need to know that. Yeah, he's got a beautiful cock. I mean it's this is only attribute. That big thick cock kept me in it for eight years, longer than I should have stayed. In fact, I think the movies structure is a little muddy in the middle, and I think that's that's kind of what I mean by like scenes could be shortened down by like a minute or thirty seconds or something like that, and it would probably serve the movie a little bit better, because I think the overall structure is good in terms of we're sort of tracking the characters progression through these events and whatever, but I feel like there's this weird amalgamus thing in the middle where like like, for example, there's a whole montage of Pete Davidson taking the kids to walk in them to school, walking them to school, and normally this would be like, Oh, okay, this is the beginning of his progression. Right, he should commit the robbery, screw up, get caught, maybe not by the police, but like they figure out and then they're like, you got to get your life together, and then that's when he starts taking the kids to school. But instead you get two separate montages of him taking the kids to school and and it's just like weird structural things like that that I think could have been fixed and I think they just didn't because they like certain scenes and I think in the moment they're funny. But I think overall, that's what I think people mean by the movie could have been cut down by like half an hour. Is that. I don't think the movie actually needs to be cut down by half an hour. It just needs to be rearranged a little bit, but I don't know if anybody agrees with that. I agree, parth, I fully agree. Like I when I was re watching it, I definitely felt like there were just some like dead ends, like the robbery is my least favorite part of the movie. Even I like I laughed just because like it just Justok, a convenient way to be like we don't have to discuss the friends anymore because they're in jail and like it didn't feel like anything came of it because then he runs away and he just calls his sister. He's like we really have to break up mom and her new boyfriend, and it just feel like there's no consequences for Pete Davidson's character. So it really felt like not useful to his journey at all, and I agree. Like the kids thing felt weird because, like I love that on the first watch and then when I was watching this time I was like, but wait, none of us other stuff has happened yet. But I agree. Another dead end I thought was Pete Davidson talking to machine gun Kelly in the tattoo shop. Like I know, I know that they're friends and he appears briefly in all the movies, but that also kind of went nowhere. And like the sister going to college, I know you need a juxtaposition that one kids doing doing well, but you know Pete Davison goes to her school and parties for one scene and that's kind of that. Yeah, but the thing is I don't have a problem with any one of these scenes because they all sort of function in the moment as what happened. Well, they all function as the end of the second act, like that's supposed to be, oh, he's at his worst, but instead the movie makes the decision and you could either cut some of these scenes or you could intermingle some of these scenes or something or move them around, but instead what you have is and then this thing happens and he's like, you know what, fuck my life, fuck this guy, fuck build Fuck Bill Murr, and then, and then, and then another thing happens. He's like actually, really, Fuck Bill...

Murr, and like it just keeps happening and instead of it being like a progression of events, it's just kind of and then, and then and then, and I think that's really only in the second act, and that's that's my biggest issue with the movie. So here's the scene I was watching this time around and I was like, all right, this is what that like, this is what the executives are on the table, like all right, we need we need the emotional core scene, and it's when Pete Davidson is like washing the the fire engine and he's like yeah, you don't need to wash fire engine, and see Bishop he's like, I like that guy. And didn't you know? I'm telling about I love that scene. I do. I like that scene. To Trent, I think you what it is is that you're a man of a hollow heart, is that I'm a emotionally devoid monster, and that you two are and you're off the podcast craft services with Park and clothe. Yeah, obligatory, one of the hosts off the show joke. Yeah, you'll be a mixed doubles duo. You can bring in a whole new audience women. I got to be on his gustle. You look exactly like you fixed. You you kind of thick, robust. Thank you compliment. You look a little bit like Antonio Band and Damn as if I squint really hard. I have a final thought. I want to share my favorite scene from the Oh wait, yeah, let's let's get her favorite scene. Sure, Chloe, here at your thank you. My favorite scene happens really early in the movie. It is when Pete Davidson goes into his garage and he finds his dad's suits and he tries them on and he like kind of like this talking out loud to himself and it's very short. It's super emotional. I cried both times and I watched it and I think that it I think it really gets like the emotional heart of this movie and I think it explains everything you need to about Scott and I think it's like really crucial in these kinds of movies to have a moment where you're like this protagonist is going to do bad things, but like please remember that like he's hurting inside. So I feel like that was a really important moment to me and I think it like define Scott and the rest of his experience for the movie. For me, a lot of the reviews were basically like hey, this guy does morally reprehensible stuff and you can't you can't blame that on Allen Him having a Dead Dad, and I just don't agree with that at all and I and he's also got like mental issues that he like he it's not just you know, and obviously that'll having a dead dad'll do that to someone. But like movie isn't saying if your dad dies you're screwed or that you're going to end up like this. It's saying, like, I don't know, it isn't eluding that if his dad was alive he'd be doing great. To give my face favorite moment in the movie, it would be the the pool fight between him and Bill Burr, and it's because I think it's a perfect mixture of everything that the movie sort of is in that it's a really sad scene when you look at it, because Pete Davidson has kind of ruined bill burr's life or, you know, with his mom and and it's really sad, but it's also it reveals character on Bill Burr's end and it's it's really funny to see them go against each other. Dude, your beard, degenerate Gambler and you're your mid fifties. Who Bets on the jets? Who? I have you not learned anything about betting the jets are gonna come back or not? I never gonna come back. It's like that's probably the funniest scene in the movie to me, but it's also like the most upsetting scene because it you're kind of seeing, I kind of I like it in movies when you when they show a character that obviously has some sort of mental issues that they're going through, whether it be, you know, depression or anxiety or depression or fuck, said the same thing twice, but anyway, whatever mental press going there. You have depression. They're yeah, yeah, if...

...they're dealing with the feeling awesome or good. They're sad a lot. They're just, one could say depressed if you're not happy. But what I really like is when a movie shows like the ugliness of that to a certain extent. And and I really like that the movie doesn't try to shy away from you know, it's unlikable. What he does is not likable and and and that's why I like some of the reviews are kind of baffling because it's kind of clearly meant to be bad and unlikable. But yeah, that's my favorite moment in the movie. Trent, I know you famously hate this movie, so you probably don't have a favorite moment. Is that correct? So I'd love to share my favorite scene. Thanks, arth so, as I said in the interview, I really enjoyed the hulk cans segment and this time around he was, you know, you know, dancing around around the around the waiting room with with the other guy, and he goes yeah, seeing create a couple times. HMM, what can I'm staying find a serious I don't know, I guess sacred. It's how I tribute, my Lord say, what is the way I tribute my Lord said, Jesus, I don't think Jesus want you to kick my ass when you want me to have these tips. That's what you mean? You can have the tips. I'm a wof what is this? What's this shit? I've seen creed a couple times. Would you do? I've seen create a couple times. We not do the cotton. I jump, okay, and I paused the movie in order to laugh because it was I'm glad, chloe and I chose deep emotional scenes and you you chose hull cans, and I think that shows a lot of that's the thing I would have cut for run time. So I'm being honest. The boxing scenes. Damn, there are two types of people, I guess. And with that being said, do we want to slap some arbitrary numbers on this show? I'm ready. I'm ready, Trent Um, chloe, welcome to the program they do we use a one ten scale. Have about one to ten. I was thinking one out of five. So I are not what Um. Okay, so I think I originally saw this movie, I probably would have given it a six because I wasn't expecting a lot of things that happened. So it made me like sickeningly sad when I watched it, but rewatching it I was able to have like a much more well rounded experience with it and really understand a lot more. So, I think now, honestly, I'd probably bump it up to like a seven or seven point five. For me, I'm kind of mystified because of all the things I think this movie is a sad as not one of the world those when you got kicked out one except whole like firemen like thing, like I was like say to my stomach, I was so sad during those scenes. Wait, and you're saying you cried multiple times, but this is a marshal movie. One. Do you cry it everything you do? What percent of movies do you cry at? I would say eighty percent. Okay, that's wild. I've cried it two movies ever. Well, films, but I can't it was common by her name, alone in a theater, and then just a month ago, New Jason Segel, Casey Affleck. What's her name? You cried at a Casey Affleck. Yeah, it's called aren't always called or rand. I was. I was alone in the theater and it got the best to me. But I seen that you got it in the you got it in the show. I I was far from shedding tears, but I think the most, you know, quote beautiful heart fell moment in this that I think did hit home was when they're going to the fire and P is along for the ride and he's like hey, these guys are like, you know Bill Murr, who who he thought was such a bad guy, is actually like kind of a hero and he respects the stuff that his dad did and he doesn't think that they like shouldn't have kids anymore. And you know, it's a that being said, Trent, what's your rating? Yeah, thanks...

...for cutting boat. Yeah, you had nothing good to say, Trent. You often don't. Yeah, it's a good point and, with that being said, I'd say like like a seven, and you I would give it a seven to Oh, I'd give it a seven too. I was said, it could have been it. I feel like this movie could have been eight or eight point five if that Middle Act was fixed, and I know chloe's gonna be like no, if they made the ending feel less short, if they did something. I don't know what I wanted. I maybe was like a final closeup or something, but it kind of felt like it like they chopped off the last ten minutes of the movie. That this is sometimes when I'm in a theater for the first time, there's a scene where it's like very close to the end of the movie and there's and it's on a shot and I'm like, I hope this isn't the last shot, and most of the time it continues going because other people had that thought before. And I think this ended when I was like, I hope it doesn't end right now, and then it ending that you guys don't understand the human experience. But it's okay, I wish you well. So you're actually never coming on the show. So the future podcast. Chloe, it's funny you mentioned that, because part and I actually pulled parts of robot and I'm and I'm a vampire, so hence our misunderstanding of the of course, but that doesn't that kind of explain a lot of others? Yeah, for sure, especially how part spent like a week telling you that you didn't like this movie and then we all had the same rating. So I think that was interesting. Trent, Trent, to be fair, spent a week telling me he didn't like the movie. I think that this miscommunication can be attributed to parts lack of honesty, Oh and the fact that and the fact that he has no that he is questionable judgment in terms of cheating on assignments. And I did not cheat on any assignments. Wait, try, try, just watch the right okay, so I was. I was halfway through. I mean I'd seen the disaster artists movie about some times and then I was half and then I was halfway through the book. I was like well, I should probably watch the room for the first time now, and I watch it for the first time yesterday and I texted parth half way through and they go this is unacceptable. I go, I go the I go, I'm I'm forty minutes in and it's only been sex seen so far, and partly. You said you had a case of at watching the room alone and you suggested that I do not know it. Oh, but in conclusion, I texted part an hour later and I go the second half is much much easier to watch. Well, just because it's not all sex. And then it just you know, it's bad acting and like stupid and we know Trent as a vampires. He's not big on sex. I guess the room and vampire kind of is a through line. But part, and I I mean not to I mean and tell me, why is those work? We're not here to support other people's work. But pop part and I were talking about how Tommy Wiso isn't an awesome guy and that then that the movie kind of I mean we're in the weeds now, but the the the movie kind of has to Romanticize him because it would be weird if they like didn't get his permission to like do all the stuff and him and James Franco like did a did a publicity circuit and all that and they probably needed his permission. But the definitely in reading the disaster artist book, you know, written by Greig Stero, not a good guy and at all bad person and bad at making movies, and I see how one could drive a little bit of joy. But I'm kind of amazed at the cult status that this movie has achieved and I'm glad that this is how we wrap our discussion on the king of Staten Island. Trent, thank you so much for keeping it rained in focused. Can't we discuss what comes next on the show that? Well, I thought we were ending the podcast like as a whole like craft services. Yeah, I know we usually do...

...some sort of joke about US canceling the show, but I we we have an interview recorded. Shouldn't we release it next week? WHO's it with? Tell us. Fine, I guess next week join us. It's spider man two week. Guys, if you like spider man week, you're gonna you're really going to enjoy spider man two week. Yeah, we talked with Second Unit Camera Operator Joseph Cisio, and he was a really nice guy. He worked on both spider man two and spider man three and we talked about both films and and next week's episode was almost a lost episode and you can find out how that was next week. So tune in please. As Way to k way to keep him hooked. Part Yeah, but they're all on the edge of their seat.

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