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Episode 104 · 1 month ago

JAWS (1975) Discussion with Tracey Algayer

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Parth, Trent, and Trent's mom talk about Steven Spielberg's Jaws (1975). They also discuss marine biology.

Edited by Parth Marathe

We are tonight's entertainment. You can't handle the true the fire risals, pizza time. You're a wizard, Harry, you know. Do you think that's where you're breathing? Groovy, I don't have friends. So, Trent, here we are, another podcast, another recording, it seems, another guest. Yes, this that this would be the first guest, I believe, who's ever, the first discussion guests, who's ever birthed a person, and that person is me. I'm the first person who's ever birth to person or birth. What of you, guys? Well, we've definitely interviewed people who have who have children, but most of our discussion guests are just like like muggles, like us, and it would be problematic if they had kids. But you know, I think you're the perfect age, of a respectable age, to have had children. Trent, do you do? You do you want to introduce your guests to the to the listeners of craft services? I'm sure from the context clues everyone could get could have gathered this on their own, but my mother, everyone, tracy Al Gear Hi, but without you we wouldn't have this podcast. Part would probably have a competing podcast with some other bozone named Bent Albert and they wouldn't be covering jaws in the same way that we're about to know. This is a this is a mini series entirely created by Trent. Actually, Trent texted me we should do jaws, the jaw series. I think that was the extent of my effort, so don't give me too much credit. But well, I wouldn't have said let's do jaw summer, like I like jaws. Find enough, but at a powerpoint presentation and give you the big cell and I really want to bring my mom on. No, no, but once we found out we were doing jaws, it would have felt inappropriate to not have you on. He had also said that. I think I'd said from the beginning like it would just be an interesting dynamics of either of our moms on the show. And we had the conversation of what would be the movie that would prompt such a thing, and I think for Kurt I'm still narrowing it down. But you know what when you see it, well, when I left the house he was watching Star Wars, so that might be it. That might be one, but he loves sand lot. Yeah, I feel like I feel like there's probably something more personal that we can find. What about your mother? What movie? What would bring on? Mrs Marathe? Um, Mr Marote loves predator. He would probably come. He would love to come on for that one. Um, both my parents love the Matrix. They might have to do that one out. But feel like I know more what books my mom likes. It's like my mom loves pride and prejudice, but she has mixed thoughts on the movie. Um, my mom likes the book Emma, so she might want to come on if we ever did clueless, because she prefers clueless as an adaptation to other straight adaptations of Emma. Um. Yeah, I guess that's the right. And we had the fourth member of the murate clan on already arrage. She's part but he's taller than parts. But we talked about Scott Pilgrim versus the world and there's definitely uh, some day table will get on the show when, when the moment is right. So I'm not the first genetic relationship. No, Um, I see, I understand. But so what have what have you been eating, Trent, to get you out of this situation, out of this conversational corner? What I had is um for lunch. I had some pizza that I bought it daniels last night because friend of the show. Well, part remember when we were mad at each other for scheduling reasons and then I saw you impaired last night and everything's okay, no comment. Okay. Um. So we were we're not consuming alcohol, and Jordan's SICAPHUS H claimed that she craved pizza, and so we went to Daniels and then she wanted to stay in the car and by the time I got back in the car she was asleep. And then, Um, I we came back here and then, with the intention of eating said Pizza, and then by the time I came in here, talked to you guys and then came back and there she was asleep. And so there was a lot of untouched pizza this morning. And so, needless to say, when lunch rolled around, I had no choice but Jackson for to the show...

...and housemate eats pizza for breakfast, and I have thoughts on that, because I think you need to put something breakfast e themed in yourself before you have anything launce your dinner theme. So you you would say that you can't skip breakfast. I would say that, even if it's noon or one pm and I haven't eaten anything and I'm starving. I would much rather have something breakfast oriented before jumping straight into one of the later meals, just like pallet wise. So is it because it's savory or because of the components or the oil factor? Is just too much first thing in the morning? Like, what's your opposition? Because I've certainly had pizza for breakfast. No, it's not on it's not on a widespread scale or anything, but I just feel like generally, if, like, if you woke up and someone was like here's Spaghetti meatballs, like, here's Meat Loath, here's something commonly associated later in the day, you'd be like, I don't want that. We're talking about this your your mouth isn't prepared for it. You have a little bit more of a discerning palate than me, because if I wait up and I'm hungry, what have you eaten last? What did I eat last? I had a Asian Crunch Salad, Asian crunch salad with and what else, and I put some tuna fish on it because I needed a little protein. Take like you're eating disproportionately healthy recently. Yeah, well, I was in the hospital. Yeah, the hospital caused the slight delight to draw something. Oh yeah, yeah, it's because your appendix had to be forcibly removed. It wasn't my appendix. That, yeah, thank you, part I knew that it was one of those non essential organs. Well, it is something that can be removed, but and you can still function, but I do have to change my diet a little bit. Um and, which is fine and it's all good and it's it's Um. It's manageable. What's the word for like your tailbone or a vestigial? It's not a vestigial organ, but that's like a tailbone, like wevolve that. Yeah, yeah, well, sorry, my mom's as science teacher. You know, they used to say that you're appendix, speaking of the Appendix as a Bistigil organ, but now we know that it's a place where, like, you're got microbiome will hang out and Um in case of you know, antibiotics or massive diarrhea or something, and recolonize your intestines. So it has a purpose, but you can get by without it, like the gallbladder has a purpose, but you can. Speaking of part what's hanging out in your microbiome. I'm glad you asked, and in that way, as I told you off air, I went to a Korean restaurant with my dad, garage front of the show, and our younger cousin, Nick Hill, and Um, I had pork will googie with rice and it was very, very good. Um, but I had so much shows. Thank you. Um, I had so much and then I took a ninety minute nap and then I had to delay recording by half an hour because I it wasn't nothing good was going to come out of my mouth. Um, at four, before thirty weeks was possible, showing a fashionably lane. Very Trent move of you. You finally started to rub off my my, my negative influence. My, your mom isn't gonna let you hang out with me anymore. Yeah, anyways, Um, I think it's time we move into the movie of the day, the jaws part of the jaws summer podcast during jaws summer. Yeah, I think it's time welcome back to craft services, where we talk about the movies. Each week we talk about a film and hopefully have a crew member of that film to talk with us about their experience working on the picture. But this week and for the next three weeks, that's not what we're doing. Trent. Do you care to explain what's happening? Yes, for the first time ever we are discussing movies that we don't necessarily cover with an interview and for that reason, Um, we can talk about old movies and we can talk brutally honest about movies, because there won't be a nice person who just volunteered their time to talk with us about their contribution. And so we could say whatever about jaws three D that comes to mind. Yeah, and by the time we get to jaws the revenge, I mean, who knows what's going to happen in that discussion. You know, there's been a rumor about jaws the revenge. Oh Mom, have you seen any of the other draws? And that's what I was just going to jump in and say. Surprise, I only saw jaws. Granted, I've seen it maybe thirty times, but I have not seen any of the other one because you know I wait. So let's make a challenge out...

...of this. If you were to try to guess in any of the other jaws films, what do you think happens? It must be a new shark. God, not the same. It could be a prequel. It could be. Thank you. Yeah, no, it's it's like the baby shark, right, Baby Shark Um. You know, maybe that's why its son, I think, isn't one of them, like something like that. I don't know if it's stated in the text, because I think how would you know? But it's a fellow really big, just as big or bigger sharks, and so if there's no hereditary affiliation, these sharks are a lot bigger than we were giving them credit for. Yeah, I have Um, I have no idea. So I'm really not going to be able to add anything to that part of the well, I mean, we're not here to discuss jaws for the revenge, for here discussed Steven Spielberg's invention of the summer blockbuster. Thank you, Joss. And with that, should we have our guests give a ten word synopsis? Yeah, sorry, we this is the most pressure you'll be in, but it's it's the gun we have to hold to the guest head to loosen them up. Okay, so I haven't gonna have to count my words. Shark a rise, tourist island, UH mayham ensues. Um, I'M gonna leave it at six. Cool. Efficiently, I like how you just said a bunch of words that like like jaws, buzzwords like beach shark, no, but also like you covered your basis. Yeah, fair, because I was nervous that I would like ramble. So am I like the other way and most people cheat into eleven and hope we don't notice now I went six. But before we get too into the thicker things, do you want to tell people, like why you think we're having you on for this? Do you? Do you have any particular affinity for the film? I have a ridiculous affinity for the film. And do you have any history with the film? I do. Um. Well, before, I'm sure you guests know that we're in New Jersey. I grew up in keyboard and Mattawan and that is in the nineteen sixteen there was, and I wasn't alive then, mold but not that old. But Um, in nineteen sixteen there was shark attacks on the Jersey shore and I and keyboard and Matawan is very close to where the final, like two shark attacks occurred and I um lived right on what we called the swamp. Incorrectly, we called the swamp but it's really wetlands or marshland and I would go down there cruising around early biology person and my dad would say don't go in that water, there could be sharks in there, and I kind of thought that he was crazy, you know. and Um, not that I knew that much about sharks and that they couldn't like Osma, regulating like this brackish water. Um so called. Um and so. But then when the movie came out when I was in seventh grade, summer seventh grade, I was locked on and I kind of knew that I incorrectly thought that the book that had come out just like a year or two before, Um, was based on the New Jersey Story. I think my dad told me that. But Um, and here later I've heard interviews with Peter Benchley and he said that it was about who wrote the book jaws. He said that it was about a large shark that was caught off the Montauk Long Island. But there are many similarities to the nineteen sixteen story that was in my head. So Um, and then I did see it, you know, maybe seven ten times that summer, like going to the actual movie theater and going to see it, because I was pretty obsessed with it. We had a built in pool in my backyard, GRANDPA foxy's, and Um, I would pretend in the pool that I was Christie Watkins, like getting dragged around in the pool and, uh, get myself, you know, freaked out about that. So I was really I was really into it and since then, anytime it's on television I would stop doing what I'm doing and I have to sit down and watch it. And there's probably a handful of other movies that are like that that take, you know, precedent over everything else. Yeah, it's like, if anything, if they're on the boat in like the third acts, like there's no chance, like we'll skip like a PTA meeting. Oh yeah, no, Um. But also I distinctly remember like us being in Hawaii on vacation, like in the hotel, and it was I only remember because something traumatizing happened,...

...but I remember it was the boat. It was the Ben Gardner's boat scene. The movie was on in the hotel. Yes, when we were in Hawaii. Good thing we were spending our time in the hotel room watching TV. is going in a very tropical climate. Um, but I remember this because it was when the head popped out of the boat and you were just as like fixated, like you were not worried about us being scared. Do you really draw this arm? Yeah, and when? When? I'm sure I'm not spoiling anything for anybody, but when Ben Gardners is a perfectly spoiled movie at Ye, yeah, there's a yeah, when Ben Gardner's head pops out of the hall, I do my very best blood curdling scream every single time. Um, and especially if there are other people in the room, then I really like do it just to, you know, add to it. No, and but like the sound effect is so weird. It's like a screw. It's like a delayed scripts, like you know. But even watching it today, I was like I know what's going to happen and I know generally when, but like I'm still on edge. Well, I don't know if we should be jumping around about that, but you know that they filmed that in the yeah, and the editors Um Pool of milk. Yeah, they had to make it look murky, so they put milk in there. Yeah, yeah, did you know that part? I did not, and I made the production history for this. Okay, yeah, they had to go back because they had seen some Um, what's it called? When they show it and like a preview, like a preview type of thing. There's some industry term for it, but like a sneak preview, something like that. There was just not the right reaction. It seemed a little slow. So they, he Spielbert, went back and filmed it again in the pool, just so that the timing was right for that screen. So I think it's like my duty to add to that energy by doing my blood curdling screen. But also you're like easily startled. I am easily startled, like post traumatic stress syndrome, easily startled, ridiculously Um jumpy. So, mom, how many people do you think jaws eats in this movie? People? Five people. And what's the what's the exception? Or PIPP IT, pip it or pimp it? Yeah, okay, but it's for for a movie, like for a movie about a man eating shark. I mean five people is a lot of people for like souls to be taken. But in a in a in a in a weird way, like it feels so much more massive than that, like that could just be a car accident and people are still getting cars trying. Do you want to give the Synopsis Of the movie or Should I do the synopsis so you can do the budget box office? Oh Trent has the opportunity to write it down. Oh, fourhand. So it's sort of a challenge that the celebrity guest does their best and then we sort of like undercut them by immediately being like, Oh, and here's it in three very well written sentences with commas and period. Got It, but you're forgiven because you call me celebrity guests. So always will. When a killer shark unleash's chaos on a beach community off Cape Cod, it's up to a local sheriff, a Marine biologist and old seafarer to hunt the beast down. So the budget is nine million dollars and the box office is four hundred and seventy two. So yeah, did they break even? I think they probably broke even. Yeah, I think they probably made a little. I think it was the biggest block Wester up until Um, yeah, because it was probably until star wars. Star wars broke it and then eat he broke that. But I don't know if it was ever the highest grossing film of All time. It was. What about Cosa Blanca? Oh, Casa Blanca was not. It was gone with the wind was the biggest. Gone With the wind and if you if you adjust for inflation, it still is. But Yeah, Oh really, it made something like three point five or three point seven billion dollars adjusted for inflation. Okay, as in like four out of five Americans probably saw it. Yeah, and it was super long with an intermission. It was long. Were gone with the one. Was Very Long, not until Avatar to replaces it. Well, all right, I do want to say something about Your Disc Your Synopsis, and that you know it's a marine biologists, which I agree, but in most everything else that you read they call him an oceanographer, and I was like an Oceanogrie biologist, but I think that's because they say it's from the Oceanographic Institute. Yeah, I know, but he's a he's definitely a marine biologist. Trent,...

...you were almost a marine biologist. Isn't this true? I was funny you asked that because I was just gonna ask for what the best distinction between an oceanographer and a marine biologists are. Well, Um, you know what biotic and a biotic is. Biotic means life and a biotic means not alive. Where a Marine biologist would study organisms that are alive in the ocean, where an oceanographer would mostly study the the a biotic or non living components, waves, topography, topography, thank you, that sort of thing. Salinity, you know, chemistry, Um. So I think it's just a matter of that. But he's a shark expert, so he's a marine biologist. So thank you, Barth, for getting that correct but it is funny you bring up my past as a potential Marine biogy biologist because I did write my college essay about jaws and about your experience with jaws and about how your experience of jaws effects my life. And sort of I sort of constructed a story about how jaws had affected most of the decisions in my life and made me want to study marine biology. And then also I was like maybe I don't want to do this, but jaws is a really good movie. Movies, people make movies. I can do that. And so now craft services is here talking about jaws. YEA, and Rutgers University in Missions Department ate it right up. And but coincidentally, I don't know, your sister is studying, uh, fish genetics. So so there she's playing out the other side of my fake life. Yeah, and he was Um, you were hooper for Halloween. Would he had? I will have to share that pictures, because he really didn't do that. For the INSTAGRAM post had. I went to parties itty and I got a big shark balloon and then I like tied it to my wrist and it carried me. It followed me around all day and I wore like the denim fit, because there are different Matt Hooper fits, all just blue and some capacity, but all denim all the time. And that. Yeah, and the beanie and the glasses. Yeah, this look pretty good. No beard. I don't think you were capable of a beard at the time. Not, not not yet, nor nor allowed. Oh, that's right, it wasn't allowed. But also my follicles weren't ready for this. But think about it. I could have the one thing I was allowed to have in high school, as a mustache, but the thought of that was preposterous because the reason that they justify it is they say you can't have any facial hair because you wouldn't have a good seal it with a gas mask. But a mustache is outside of that. Now, look at me, now look at you. It took top gun. Alright, well, this is top gun summer? No, this is top gun summer, but at the same time it's jaws summer. Yeah, so is that why you have the rest of the full growth down there sparts top gun. This is all shark. Okay, it's work. Good, look at it. Good for you. Part is it? Is it production history time? I think it's production history time. So part's gonna talk for a while, but if he says anything interesting, you let him know. But who's to say if that's going to happen. So Richard D's Zanook or Zanek, I don't know how that's pronounced. Okay, and David Brown, produces universal pictures independently, heard about Peter Benchley's novel jaws. They each read the book over the course of a single night and agreed the next morning that it was, quote, the most exciting thing they had ever read and they wanted to produce a film version, although they were unsure of how it was going to be accomplished. They purchased the film rights in Nineteen Seventy, three before the book's publication, for approximately a hundred and seventy five tho dollars, which is equivalent to over one million dollars one to direct. Zeneck and Brown first considered John sturges before offering the job to Dick Richards Um whose directorial debut, the culpepper cattle co had come out the previous year. But they were irritated by Richards's habit of describing the shark as a whale and dropped him from the project. I assume that's because of the Moby Dick of it all. Meanwhile, Steven Spielberg really wanted the job. The year old had just directed his first theatrical film, the Sugar Land Express, for Zennick and Brown, and after Richard's departure they signed Spielberg one to direct. In June of ninety three. The film was given an estimated budget of three point five million dollars in a shooting schedule of fifty five days, with principal photography set to begin in May. But then it became flaws. Over budget over schedule, universal wanted the shoot to finish by the end of June, when the major studios contract with the screen actors...

...guild was due to expire. To avoid any disruptions due to a potential strike, Spielberg discarded many offentially subplots from the book saying that his favorite part of the book was the Shark Hunt in the last hundred and twenty pages. He told Zanik when he accepted the job, quote, I'd like to do the picture if I could change the first two acts and based the first two acts on an original screenplay material and then be very true to the book for the last third. Benchley did an initial draft with the basic plot of the film, but had has very little of the character work that you see in the finished film. Writer Howard sackler did an uncredited rewrite on the film as producers were pretty unhappy with Benchley' draft. Friend of Spielberg, Carl Gottlieb, was then brought on to do some dialogue polishing, but ended up rewriting the entire screenplay over the course of filming. Um and I have a little bit here about how kind of chaotic the shoot was, because scenes were written the night before they were meant to be shot, with many lines of dialogue being improvised on the day. Robert Robert Duval and Charlton Heston were both considered for the role of Brodie, but Roy Scheider eventually one out. The roles of quint and hooper were not cast until nine days before the film entered production, before being ultimately being filled out by Robert Shaw and Richard Dreyfuss respectively. Principal photography begin in May, second Um nineteen seventy four on the island of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, with the fishing village of Minesh minemshaw Martha's vineyard being the primary location. Production initially planned to train a great white shark, but quickly realized this was impractical. Instead, they created three full sized prop sharks. This creation required forty effects technicians and fourteen operators to control all of the moving parts. Part we should train a great white shark to edit our episodes. That would be pretty awesome. This was the first major motion picture to actually shoot on the ocean, and this caused many production issues and budget increases. Many crew members took to calling the film, as Trent said, flaws. Spielberg calculated that. Spielberg calculated that during the twelve hour daily work schedule, on an average, only four hours were actually spent filming because of all the production instry production issues. Although principal photography was scheduled to take fifty five days, it did not wrap until October. Six after a hundred and fifty nine days, so basically three times the allotted amount. Spielberg was not on set for the final scene where the shark explodes, as he thought the crew was going to throw him into the water for how the shooting had gone. It has since become a tradition for Spielberg to not be on set for the final scene of one of his films being shot, which poses some questions as to like who's directing that day, I guess, but I guess if your Uncle Steve, you could do what you want part. Do you know about the dual side of this? No, do you? Yeah, I know a little bit about duel. Well, just that duel was a TV movie that he did before sugarland express and I just heard him say on one of the bonus features that duel had four letters and so did jaws. And Duel was about a truck, like a really big truck. It chased around this guy in a car and he was like in terms of like the pursuit, like cat and Masse. Like these movies are very similar and I'm just doing duel on the water now. Yeah, they were just this giant Leviathan that was chasing and pursuing and terrorizing. It's a similar story and he also used a similar for the final scene in duel. He used a big movie, a Dinosaur B movie, Um Sound Bite, I guess he would call it, of a dinosaur like screaming, and he used that in Um when the now I'm ruining duel for people, when the duel, when the truck goes over a cliff, he kind of layers this dinosaur moaning um into the sound of the metal bending and then he also uses that same dinosaur moaning clip in when the shark, like the exploded shark parts, are sinking to the bottom of the city. I was just going to mention that same shot because I've heard him talk about how with the truck when it hates the spoiled duel, but when it falls off a big cliff it doesn't explode. And like everyone said that they wanted, or on the studio wanted to explode, but he said he'd be much rather have like a quiet death or like a respectable death. And it's so crazy to see like the exploded shark like be so beautiful and with like the strings behind it, because it's been the enemy of the whole time. But it's it's victorious and celebratory, but like this is beautiful and know...

...it's a robot. That chart. John Williams composed the film score, which earned an academy award, and Spielberg has said that without Williams score of the film would have been only half as successful, which still successful, but I guess not as successful. Um. The film was released on June and was incredibly financially successful and has become the seventh highest grossing film of All time, if you adjust for inflation. It won three Academy Awards and led to three sequels. And now, Trent, it's your time to shine. Three sequels that we will be covering over the remainder of the summer. So over, sixty seven million people in the United States went to see this film after was initially released nineteen seventy five, making it the first summer blockbuster. According to Carl Gottlieb, the line you're gonna need a bigger boat was not scripted but was ad libbed by Roy Schneider and is now shider and is now often wrongly translated to we're going to need a bigger boat. I guess in every day vocabulary, Um Spielberg said that when he first read the novel he found himself rooting for the shark because the human characters were so unlikable. That is the thing in the book, like the characters are much more like problematic and flawed and you know them a lot better. Well, there's that one scene where the shark gets stuck between the boat and the shark cage and he's really struggling. It's like the only shot where they're showing the actual and actual great white and I really felt for the shark then because just to see anything struggling like that you know well, and I mean you can share like they shot that. They shot with a real shark, with a mini cage and like a dwarf person inside of that cage to make the shark, which was like eighteen ft, look twenty five Ft. and then I think, as the story goes, the stunt performer was supposed to be in the cage, but this incident with a getting tangled and going on top half and after, and so Matt Hooper was originally supposed to die, but when that happened they thought we have to have him escaped before so we can use this and that's just how movies are made. When a shark accidentally goes on a cage, you know. Well, it was such great footage. It really was. It's really only footage the where you see that it's Um, it's a living thing. Yeah, you know, Um Spiel director Steven Spielberg named the Shark Bruce after his lawyer. Uh Brodie's dog in the movie was actually Steven Spielberg's dog, Elmer. Um, according to director, to Steven Spielberg, the prop arm of Chrissy Watkins looked too fake, Um when her remains are discovered, and so instead they buried a female cast member in the sand with only her arm exposed in that show with all the crabs crawling around part. Is it one time? Is it one star reviewtime? Yeah, I think it's time. Mom. Do you want to read the first one? Um, sure, so you can say who is by what they think about it, and then the body. What can I say? One thing about when you said that Roy Schreider a AD lived that line, when he does actually, if you watch like the outtakes, he does actually say you're going to need a bigger boat, and then they change it to we're going to need a no, I just watched it and it's you're going to need a bigger boat. Going to have to beg to differ, because if you watch them out takes, you didn't watch the whole thing. Anyway, we'll just have to saying it's where. It's your your he says to he says to Quinn, because it's his boat. Yes, yeah, but I'm saying that people misremember it. Oh, and people misquoted. Okay, yeah, it's like a Luke, I'm your father's situation. He says, no, I'm your father, right, you know, I got you. Okay. Also, though, in in the Um, as far as it being ad libbed, there's a story about J J Abrams having a meeting with Steven Spielberg and he was just going through his annotated script of jaws and according to J J Abrams, there is some like there's like a two or three sentence line there, and Steven Spielberg crossed it out and wrote you're gonna need a bigger boat. So I guess it's a little contested as to whether it's ad libbed or if oh, what the deal with that? Is another thing that I commend that I'd like to mention is you do you guys both mentioned Gottlieb, right as Um, as the writer. Um, he was actually an act hired as an actor originally, and he plays the journalist who, Um, he works for the gazette, right, Um, the Amity Gazette, and he is one of the characters who is on the trap equip, the trap equittic ferry. Yeah,...

UM, which, guys, you got to take a road trip and then a ferry trip over and go to see Martha's. You can see all these spotsors. Well, I mean you can speak on that. I mean you just went there. Oh well, I don't want to get us off track. Well, well, quickly, what are the cool jowl spots you can see? Did we went last summer and we went with our friends who have a family home at Martha's vineyards. So they were kind of not that into it, but I was like we have to go to these spots and Um. So we went to, Um, the American Legion bridge, which is that goes over the estuary where the yeah, the pond. They call it a pond, which I never understood that. Um, but that bridge, Kurt Daddy, uh, Mr Elcare actually jumped off that bridge like it's a thing that people do. Um, yeah, and you jump into the water. It's kind of tricky because the way the bridge is designed, you actually you have to stand on a rail and then jump out over these other pine links. In any case, I did not do that. I stayed on Um. I stayed on the like the jetty, uh, and I did my reenactment of the whole scene of shark, Shark and the shark in the pond. Yeah, another cool place is just going on the CHAP equittic ferry. Uh. It's not the same. It's a little bit bigger. They can fit like three cars on it now and then we did go over to Chap Aquittic, which is a whole other movie and you know thing. Um. But when you go over to Chap aquittic you can see the Beach Club, which is where the cabanas with the orange and white little cabanas where, Um, you know, Alex Kittner. That's it. Yeah, little Kitner, kitten, your hands are pruning. Yes, so you could go over to, Um, that beach club there and Um, that was pretty cool. Where else could you go? Oh, you know, we are the billboard is they they were. They damaged the vandalism, Um, and you can see the gayhead lighthouse in the back. You can go and see that. The lighthouses in the last shot of the movie. Yeah, it's it's awesome. There are two. There's another lighthouse, the White Lighthouse, the Gayhead lighthouses, Brown, Um and the and the Chap a quittic lighthouses. I think it might be that's the one you're talking about. Is What is white? And do you know what happened at Chappaquittic? Yes, okay, nice, okay, Um, Chapa quittic is really good movie too, by the way. I really, I really enjoyed it. But and you can go and see all the spots there too. So make it a two for yeah, make your money is worth. Yeah, Um, and see, you know, the fairy right, you go and see Edgar town, like there's a picture of me with my arms spread wide, Um, on the steps of Um, the Edgar Town town hall, you know, which is where you've to introduce to Quinn. And so you know, it's super cool for me anyway to go and see all this spot. If you find yourself in Martha's vineyard and you like jaws or sharks, yeah, you've got to go and check all these spots out. So what does angel have to say about the movie, though? This was a horrible movie and Boring. What's wrong with her? No, right, I have to say. You know, maybe it didn't age well for some people who weren't like brought up on it. Maybe in a way. No, I think this is considered one of them. I think. Yeah, I can. I understand that you were trying to play devil's advocate. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I don't think Angel deserves any credit really. Okay, I think they just may have no taste. That could be the simplest explanation. That was might be explanation. Oh yeah, so part do you want to take James Pascuarella's review? Sure, so, this is from James Pascarella and he says in his title language and his review is profanity. Is that even true? Like when he says smile a bit like it's like it's covered. This isn't a particularly like swear movie at all. This movie is pg rated because it was before the advent. Yeah, good one. I would still think it was stupid, but it would make more sense if he was like violent or something. But this isn't a very profanitily profanity laid movie. I remember an elementary school at a certain point we were like we want to be able to pick the movies that we watched on like a on like a rainy day or whatever. The teacher was like, we can watch movies, but just they have to be pg raided, and I was like jaws is raided. We should watch that. But just because Steven Spielberg hadn't invented pg thirteen yet with the temple of Doom, because that was really because it was so in between...

...that they needed to make something new. It was it was the temple of doom is PG rated, but it caused such an uproar because parents were so upset. People's hearts are getting ripped out of their chests. Yeah, they created the PG thirteen rating. I guess that's an off and I think Spielberg really didn't want it to be super gory. You know in that Um, you know the scene in the estuary, the pond where Um, the estuary guy, I think that's how he's even credited. Um, they paddling a little robot. Yeah, he gets his leg cut off right or eating over you we see his legs. His leg is what remains. Everything else gets et Um. But the that original scene was where estuary guy swims over, you know. You know in the in the final cut, you see both of them kind of looking stunned. They come up, flip their hair and they're both in the water. A steary guy and Michael Brodie. And initially he had a stewary guy go over and scoop him up, scoop the kid up, but then the shark bit him and there's a scene where the blood's just coming out of his mouth and Michael Brodie is like basing him. and Um, he changed it because it was too gory and he just didn't want that type of a movie. You know, I guess that explains why he went into shock. No, but the witnessing a man die right in front of you, that'll that'll do it right. And and those are the good old days where you could for mild shock. You would get to spend the night in the hospital, like now they would, they would charge you. Oh yeah, yeah, it was before Hmos. I don't know if I'm speaking. It's okay, let's not. It's all right. It's a type of a medical plan. Got It. But Um, you should give us our last one star argue. So the last one is by Sharie Walker and the titles question mark and he says I did not order this movie with three exclamation points. But, like, he says that like it's a bad thing, but that should be like an act of God, that, like a higher power wants you to watch jaws and therefore your your account has taken matters into its own hands. So part of what comes after this, this is where we just talk a little bit about what's working and what's not working for us about this movie, and I have a feeling that one of these questions will be answered more than the other. Yeah, I have a preface and it's that I think that the next twenty minutes or so it's just going to be a love fest and I think that we can all just enjoy talking fondly about our friend jaws the shark, because the next three movies we're going to have some small criticisms to unpack, and so now I think we should just enjoy ourselves, because we have jaws to jaws three and jaws for the revenge coming up. And Somehow, even though time passes and technology only gets more advanced, the production quality decreases exponentially. Well, it's not. They're not Spielberg right, none of them. They're not Spielberg, and doesn't have the stevie magic. Yeah, so I might have to cut out. Oh, for the next three episodes. It's okay, you don't have to come on, but I'll listen. Cool, yeah, but I'll have nothing to I can't part part and I have never consumed alcohol actively on the show. But we thought for jaws, for the revenge, we thought it would be good to loosen ourselves up, and so we have that to look forward to. And it is the summertime, after all. I do the one thing that I can say about it is, if you'll notice, I don't know if hearts can see that my name is listed as Mrs Taft. I can. Yes, do you know what that references to? I can't say that I do, although I just want to add that Trent will often join the call, either titled as the Beast in reference to the split, or what's the other one, Trent, or like Johnny Utah, which is from whiplash. Well, I mean Johnny Utah's from but it's it's referenced in Whiplash Anyway. But yes, I told my mom this going in and I thought we were going to go for something like Bruce or like chief Roadie or something like that, and she and you said I should have gone with hooper. Really, of course. Yeah, but you said this minor character. Yeah, Mrs Tapped, who really plays into a lot, into like jaws too, and jostly. Not that I've seen them, but I've heard that MRS TAPP plays a larger role in those. She is the lady who is when Ellen Brody asked her on the beach at the Chap Aquitticu Uh Beach Club he would be an island and she said yeah, never be an islander. Unless you're born...

...here, you're never going to be an island. She has like the big glasses, she owns them, she owns a motel and she is in the the in the town hall meeting, she's sitting in the front and when somebody makes a joke about the Kentner, about Mrs Ketch, was like I don't find that funny, I don't think that's funny. Yeah, she was like, I don't think that's funny at all. I think it's interesting that in a weird you like see the same islander faces popping up throughout the movie and she's a good example. But I'm like this. He's done a good job of making this feel so big and so small, but you don't see like repeating extras and other movies really. Well, you know they did have part, you know, speaking carts and and she does go on to play. Well, there's a speaking of jaws too. There's a very famous tweet that the mayor from jaws is still the mayor and jaws too. And then they're like local, local elections matter, because you think after the events of jaws one you would get voted out of office, not, not an amity island. Well, when the pandemic was happening, and this is really going off on a tangent Um, I could not help but make comparisons to jaws because you know, I'm mad. It's funny. It's funny you say that, because I saw this movie for the first time last year and that was kind of like just before we went back to college. So it's still kind of felt like we were in semi quarantine and it was like crazy watching the mirror or mayor because it was like, oh, okay, so maybe he's not this, maybe this is not unrealistic. No, not at all. Part we need those summer dollars. Amity is a summer town. When you say Barracuda, what people say? Huh, you all shark on the fourth of July. A panic on your hand? Yeah, you had a panic on hands before the Jaly. I tried to take no during the first half and I couldn't help but just write down, like, everything the mayor said. Um, because and his suits little anchors, and he was Spielberg's first choice, like other for other roles, as you mentioned. Part Um, he had other people in mind, but he wanted I think his names Marie Hamilton's. He was like this guy. He's the perfect smarmie. Yeah, asshole. Yeah, I wrote down sick vandalism. I want those paint happy bastards caught and hung up by their buster browns. Do you know what buster browns are? I get their underpants. Do you know what Bust Your browns are? I can't say that I do. It's a brand of shoes. It would be like saying doc Martin's, but usually worn by kids, more or less. Part what immediately? You watched draws for the first time a year ago, and do you know how, like when the pandemic first started, everyone was watching movies that had nothing to do with the pandemic and they were like Jurassic Parks actually about the pandemic. How did you take draws for the first time? Um, why, wait, I wasn't trying to go at it through a pandemic Lens, but I mean, uh, like watching it, there's some pretty obvious like parallels of let's not look at this problem, let's try to continue on business as usual that are kind of unavoidable, and especially last year. Um, I think when I saw it it was like just after the January six riots, which fun like fun fact. Trent and I were recording the day of and, uh, just before recording we looked at the news and I said, Trent, have you seen what's been going on? And he's like yeah, and I was like okay. and Um, we decided that craft services would prevail if America wouldn't. Um, but anyways, democracy was failing. Craft services had to would still be standing. It would we would be the last flag flying, you know. Yes, we have to release episodes every Sunday until the sun explodes. Like, even if, even if the American government dissolves, right exactly. But seeing seeing it, seeing it for the first time last year, Um, is interesting because a lot of times you see movies that are because it's what it came out. What's seventy five right, like, I mean I feel like I often have this experience watching older movies. But like it's it feels so modern, like it doesn't feel like an antiquated kind of thing. It feels like it moves so well, I don't know how else to put it. And it it like everything feels right. Um, and it's crazy that this is like Spielberg's third movie, Um, and like second, second, theatrical one.

It's it's twenty six, I think he said. I heard him. We're fighting again. Yeah, I thought he I thought he was part that. I fight a lot, so this is nothing. Yeah, this is well covered ground on craft services. But yeah, I mean it's just like, I guess I was just taken aback by how, Um, well, it's still functions and Um, filming on the Real Ocean really helps to still sell all of the drama intention of going after this shark in a way that a lot of movies that have come out like four or five years ago kind of still don't hold up, because you can feel the artifice in regards. I'm maybe you're just about to say something similar, but I know he said that we have to film this on the real ocean, because otherwise, if we're just like if we're in like a river or something, or close to shore, in any shot you'll be able to see land in the background and the audience will think they should just turn around and go back. Like you need to feel like you're stranded out there, as otherwise they'd be too easy of a solution. And Martha's vineyard is really the only place that they could do it because it's the only place that you could Um, be far enough out there where you couldn't see the shore, Um and it would still only be thirty ft deep because it has a really sloping Um. It's not very deep. And so because, because they have to set up all the robot sharks. Yeah, and if it if it malfunctions and sunk to the bottom, you could recover it and move on or the boat or something like that. But so Martha Vineard is the one. And actually that was the first time anybody filmed on Martha's Vineyard and Um uh, it's really amazing that they let people do it because it is a tour town that relies on tourist dollars and Um, then you would think that people would uh not want to go there, they'd be afraid. Yeah, they make it and when we were there with JEB and Lisa last summer, Um because there's a lot of marine mammals that we had that they closed the beach, they blew the whistles and got everybody out of the water when we were there, and I was like this is perfect because there were sharks, you know. So, anyway, I can't help but think maybe it's this is just being a mortal human being, or maybe it's with my family history of liking jaws, but every time I go on the Ocean I'm like, Huh, Yep, you know, most sharp shark attacks happened within ten ft of the of the shore, within less than three FT of water. Exactly. Well, I wanted to ask because we don't remember if this was on microff my but just prior to like really starting the episode, I was talking about how I've been made fun of for watching top Gun Maverick in theaters five times and uh, you told me that you probably saw jaws like fifteen times in theaters and I just wanted to wonder, like, what was that like? How did it change over the fifteen times? I'm surprised that my dad, your Grandpa, like what, you know, because he was working over the money that would pay for it, you know. But Um, I just loved it so much. You know, we didn't have an option. It was not going to like when I said something earlier about how things age differently, I want to come back to that too. But if you can imagine at the time, if you love something, if you like now you can say, Oh, I'll get it on DVD or I'll watch it on a streaming service. You watched it and then it went away for ten, fifteen years until you could maybe catch it on a on a rerun on TV. So you had to seize the moment. You had to if that's what you love. And then I started reading up all kinds of books. I remember I flew down to Um Florida, went down to Florida and I the only books that I had with me on the plane were about sharks and Um, I remember there was somebody next to me just like looking at me like I was a crazy person. But when I was saying about how things when I met we mentioned about the person's Um negative review and I said, well, maybe it didn't age well in that up until that point, like people didn't know about sharks like we know about sharks. You know, Um, we didn't have as much Um we had. You know, there were five TV channels right. There wasn't the nature channel, there wasn't videos that you could rent or watch. We had very immitted experience about that and that's part of one of the reasons how he...

...could get away with Um it not looking so real. If I can throw out a little negative comment about you know, when the when it comes in the in the final scene, when it comes into the boat and he puts in a in the gas tank, into his the diving tank into his mouth, you know, now a little bit more of a critical I would be like, yeah, that's a little lame because we know about sharks more. You know, we've seen them back then, unless you saw it maybe on wild kingdom, which is on after once on once a week, Um, and they happen to show you know, the odds of you having seen footage of sharks was very unlikely. and Um, so that's how they could get away with that a little bit too. And plus in the s the USS Indianapolis Uh speech, which is, you know, great, great speech. Um, if you would call it a speech, I guess he monologue, monologue. Yeah, he quit sets it up that they don't look real right when he says their lifeless eyes. They're like a dolls eyes. So, and I think it's part of that speech is really great because it kind of lets you go, okay, that's why it doesn't look it's covering their own ass production lines, maybe a little bit. I don't know, you know, just something. That's something I thought about that speech. I know it's so famous and I didn't understand why it was important when I was younger and I watched it. I'm like fuck, you know, yeah, it's I mean, they people, they talk a lot how he's actually drunk during the filming. But like they talked about that as an important scene in movie history and uh, I get why, though it's also interesting to bring up how, like what the point you were bringing up of Um, like people didn't know back when the movie came out, like how much the Internet has changed, like media consumption, because like you can go. I mean, like I'm very guilty of it. Of like whilst watching like, let's say, a movie based on a true story, and you just search it up, like is this even true? And you can so easily figure out all that information or like if you ever go back and watch the first mission, impossible. They're playing very fast and loose with how the Internet works, like kind of like relying on the audience not knowing. And if you have a movie come out now, people can like, like if jaws were to come out now, people would be able to pause and frame and and zoom in on like every single shot and like to see like the imperfections of it Um, which I think is for the general detriment two movies. When you started talking about the imperfections, I thought you were gonna talk and you mentioned the gas canister. I thought you're gonna say from a science standpoint, that that exploding doesn't check out, and I only know that because I saw it on mythbusters. And what's wrong with it? If he shot at with compressed it would shoot in like in the in the direction, and it might like like go down the shark's throat or something, but it wouldn't explode the way in such a satisfying dramatic way that it does. But that's for the that's for the mythbusters, a higher force, a higher power, to decide. Yeah, UM, yeah. Another thing is is when Quinn's getting chomped, you know, and he grabs the knife and he's he's stabbing the shark. Um, he keeps it in one hole. Yeah, I noticed that, and he you know, but of course, because you know, you can't just keep putting holes in this in this robot. Yeah, exactly. But you know, still a great movie. Come on, do you think that quint wants to die? Yes, and you think he's out there. Do you think he has survival survivor's guild? A racist, a crazy man? Interesting point, survivors go. But when he smashes the radio right, and then it's the radio, and then him killing the engine, and killing the engine, exactly, the engine. That's another little thing. Like when they when they would alternate back and forth in between black smoke and white smoke, and black smoke means you're burning oil and then white smoke means that it's a steam so I was kind of like that's a little bit of weird inconsistency, but Um, whatever. Also, I've always thought after they killed the engine, it's because the shark is chasing them, and then the engine dies and then the shark like catches up with them and then just turns away, and then they set up the whole cage and it comes back but it's in hot pursuit. Well, who knows what? No, no, I thought. Yeah, they I love how they say I don't know if the shark is really smart or really dumb, because that excuses everything that they can do from that point...

...on, like this is just a beast and any decision like you don't need to overthink. So good, so good part, good, good movie. Um, I don't know, like it's kind of one of those movies where, like, I don't know that I even have like everything that could ever be said about it has been said. Like I don't like. All right, let's say all the things that have already been said. Having production problems forces you to make creative compromises that, in the long run, actually add more drama to the movie. Um, let's do this. Um, UH, showing less less is more. Don't show the monster until later, because it makes you enjoy it later on. Um, part, you've listened to film criticism. What are some obvious jaws comments. Uh Uh. It's important to have character moments, even in a blockbuster like this, like the scene where the kid is copying Um Roy Scheider. Yeah, like that's a movie. Another that's another thing that J J Abrams has talked about is um that's a scene that can, in editorial, get cut and wouldn't really fundamentally change the movie in any way. But that happening is a very kind of like human moment, and sometimes things don't necessarily need to be pushing the plot forward to be an important part of the movie as a whole. I wrote down that during that exact scene that Steven Spielberg's understanding of such a young age, of like family sentimentality was very impressive because that feels like an observation of like an older soul or someone with kids who's trying to establish that he was a family person. And if I that really established the family dynamic. He's someone that like he's one of those like once in uh whatever kind of person where you're like, how do you know so much at such a young age? Because if you look at this movie, like the blocking of certain of the sequences and a certain shots is just so amazing. And also they you know, for all the stuff where they're on the water, most of the movie is handheld and it doesn't it doesn't look like that, like it doesn't look, you know, even in movies now like like if it's handheld, it's usually like, you know, like the cameras topic component to to help straighten it out. But now there is, but back then they're not really back then that wasn't really there. I mean rocky kind of made the steadicam with that shot where he runs up the stairs. That made that like more famous, but I don't know, just this being handheld and such a like scrappy production. It's kind of insane. Yeah, yeah, I think about it on the water and I guess they and didn't they develop the because it was the first time to my recollection. But I don't know, I was in middle school that Um we had ever seen Um and I still love that effect when it goes above and below the water, like the camera is inside a box and you're shooting above the water and below the water at the same time. And I don't know if that's the first time. It's definitely it was something while I was reading up on the movie they were having a lot of problems because the cameras would keep getting wet and so then that would constantly delay production. And like like, again, they were shooting on films. So that meant that, like with a digital camera, like maybe your memory card might be protected and you can take that out if the cameras destroyed and still get whatever footage you got, but if you're film gets wet, like you're screwed. Can I set something Um? Well, evidently part of the the the developing process of film uses a sailine solution, which is a salt like a salt component, component Um, and so there was a portion where the Orca um did go underwater unintentionally and got the film wet, and so they said, okay, well, the first component of developing this type of film is the sailing solution, so let's just keep it in the water and they shifted it back to l a, flew it back to L A and developed it and it was perfectly fine and us so maybe literally screw everything I just said. That's amazing. That's awesome. I did want to circle back to something about Spielberg and family and even at a young age, having this Um,...

...you know, insight into family dynamic and the importance of showing that in he really most of his movies have to do about family. And I think it was I saw an interview with him, maybe it was about e t or something, and Um, he I'm sorry, I was stilled there for a minute. He was from a divorced family and really yearned for that family Um connection and really missed that family feeling and that's why he says that he has that. That's a major component of most of his films. He's got major daddy issues because, Um, his parents split up when he was young and he blamed his father for that and then it turned out that his mom was the one that had had an affair and he's even after learning that, he still blamed his dad. They've reconciled since, but Um, a lot of his movies have like very present mother characters and either aloof or, in the case of ET, non present father figures. I couldn't help like. I mean you mentioned like the blocking, and this goes without saying. This is another thing. Yes, yes, Joss has really good blocking and really long wonders. But yeah, during I mentioned this before, I tried to take notes during the first half and like on production stuff, and then you reach the third act where they're on the boat and you're like, what's the I'm just here for the vibes now, Um, but during the first act, when I was paying attention in writing, Um Spielberg like combining shots or doing just like and like using the foreground in the background and like shifting focus and also just like having characters walk around and have a whole conversation without cutting. It's awesome. Yeah, and I mean the last third of the movie is all in one location. I mean, I guess you have the vastness of the sea, but even that, I mean it kind of all looks the same at a certain point. So you really have to like design your shots and move your characters in interesting ways to keep the audience's attention. And, as many others think, he has done it successfully. Are we going to talk about the shooting star or double shooting stars? That's my next thing to say. So everyone likes to talk about the real shooting star because it's awesome, but then there's two. There's IT's two in a row now, and so is this one with right right behind Roy schrider brody shot. Yeah, it's like a wider of the boat. But it's I don't know if it's supposed to be the same shooting star captured from a different angle if it's a different one, but they play them in sequence. Yeah, it's not supposed to be the same one. It's supposed to be to shooting stars. I think so. Well, I mean, as people know, that this one was like real and like a miracle, and then since then Steven Spielberg has like to artificially put shooting stars in the backgrounds of his movies. Yeah, it's like a little it's like hitchcock and his face being somewhere, but it looks like so, like not what you think. It's like red. MM HMM. Have you ever seen seen shooting stars? I think I was driving once and I saw something go across my periphery, but I would say that maybe, but also with no level of certainty. Have you? I don't think I've ever seen a shooting star. Yeah, yeah, you have to go where there's not as much light pollution and it's not that uncommon, I'm sure, if you look up at the sky long enough. Yeah, if you go, yeah, if you go. Well, things are moving around and outer space all the time right but it's it's not. It's not that uncommon to see them if you go where, you know, AH, it's not as densely populated. What's your guys favorite death in the movie? I was surprised when Alex kinner gets eaten, like the spray of blood up from his raft. I was like, Jeez, you know, I was going to say that one. Yeah, and and some people say the first time you see the shark is in the pond, but you do really see like the I don't know what they used for the fins. Yeah, yeah, you see like you do like a flip thing. Yeah, and you see the fins and everything. I noticed that too. I thought it was an interesting movement. Yeah, I wonder what that kid I don't know who that actor is who played little Alex Kintner, but Um, it must have been pretty traumatic for a ten year old kid because he had they had to drag him down and, you know, put the blood and never you know, and every and everything like that. Like you often hear the actress who played and I was just gonna say she almost got drowned too. She had a quick release on her that, yeah, but it was like a toe line was attached to her and then they were on the beach dragging her back...

...and forth. Right. So you hear her talk about that experience but we never hear that kid. Yeah, I think if it was. Any thoughts on how would be different if it was made today? Thought, I mean they wouldn't shoot it for the most part. They wouldn't shoot it on the real wouldn't be there wouldn't be robot sharks. They would have trained a real world. That's if Tom Cruise was doing it right. Um, no, I mean I think that. I guess I don't know. If you've got a good director you can maybe make it really well now, but I think there would be I don't think that it's that you can't make it the way it was, but Um, I think there'd be a lot of studio pressure two change aspects. Like I don't think you would shoot on the real locations. I don't. I think you would be forced to use a CG shark and it wouldn't be as convincing. It's an unfair question because every shark movie after jaws is a product of jaws. Um, but like, look at like the Megalodon that came out. I mean you didn't see it but it came out within the last five years and it's this is a shark movie, but it's we have to outdo or go bigger, weirder, and so it's a megalodon and it's just bigger and you think that that would make it better somehow, but it's so much worse. or I mean even like and I enjoy it. Trent, we saw crawl together, which is a different type of movie, but yeah, but still a creature movie, but still a creature and like with water, like it's about like killer crocodiles and and as much as I like that, it doesn't even come close two, you know, the kind of visceral, gritty feeling of jaws. And also I don't think you would have the scenes of the three men on the boat in the same way that you do with in the movie as it is now. I don't think that, like, I can't I don't know if I can name a movie that's come out recently that's like a big studio movie that has scenes where the characters are just like talking to each other like that. What was that Quentin Tarantino movie that I thought should be made into a play? It would that was the last episode that's the last thing. Yeah, Oh my Gosh, I'm pretty topical on this right. But, Um, the hatefully, which I think should be a play. It would be a good play. But Um, that was one where it was this contained space. You know, that's just the thing that popped into my head when you were saying that. So, yeah, I think if it was made today, Um, with all those other things to consider, I think there would be more emphasis on the New England accent, you know. You know, there'd be dialect coaches around, because there's only one person who has a new England accent. There was Michael Brodie, the kid. He's like the vampire. I cut my hand, like when he comes in playing on that plane swing set, right, the vampire cut his hand. But nobody else, even Mrs Taff who is an islander, she doesn't have the New England accent. Now we know why Hooper and Brodie don't. Um, but you would think that because that's kind of a big thing, like at the the accent anyway. No, but speaking of it's really cool how you have this like backstory of like them being from New York and he's a cop and he's like, Oh, you think? I think I can make a difference in the small town, but New York you feel like I never make any progress. But all of that isn't delivered in a way that feels forced. It just like in the background and if you get it, you get it, and if you don't, you don't. But there's not like a flashback scene of them him stopping crime in New York and it's just that would have been terrible. Well, yeah, for obvious reasons, but also just like delivering important information in a sly way. Um, and also just like there's so much world building, a dialogue that I don't and there's a lot of overlapping dialogue are said by other characters that isn't like important or necessary, but just like, you know, rounds out the world of the other thing. UH, they wear black a lot because they're from New York. You know what I mean? Like her Ellen Brodie's bathing suit is black. Nobody else's bathing suit is black. Brodie where is wearing black, black turtle. Yeah, and the black T shirt. And Uh, yeah, because that's The New York thing. But yeah, in that in the appendix, Mary Allen Moffa, she broke my heart. That's one of my favorite from ever forever lines. But he in his it's just such a dark room and with the black turtle neck his head is like levitation, eating in space because he's like so cast in shadow...

...when he looks down to see each to his for his appendix. Scar right, Trent, do you think we're approaching a um like a nuclear blast anytime soon? I think you're gonna. I'm gonna sit back and enjoy while you try to explain what happens at this part of the show. It's my mother Um. So once we start to reach the end of the episode, we realized that we have to enter the ratings gauntlet. And any time we're about to enter the ratings gauntlet, Um, when editing the episode, Trent will add a nuclear blast sound effect and we fake scream like we're being burnt up by the explosion. Okay, and so whenever we say the word Gauntlet, a bomb drops and then we all scream. Should we take our headphones off? Oh No, it's not like I don't screw in the top of your lungs, but just a little like animated cartoon like screw something to that effect. Drafts. I was really I really wanted to go big on this. But okay, I can't wait for fun. No, no, that should we let her scream. Let's do one scream. Let's let's do it. Okay, welcome to the ratings, Gontin. That was I think that was the only good guests scream. We've got a lot of people will give us whimpy like I kind of thought felt that, like I went down a little bit there. I could have gone bigger. Remember when you did wrap faster during the pandemic? He made this film at home. Oh, you did that. I saw that, yes, and I had to scream for that. Yeah, you did a big screen. I did a big screen for that, and you were particular about which take we use a particular in the as. Ye, your scream. I've been told that I've been you're using the word difficult. Okay, I was trying to use some credit, um, but I think this should go by pretty fast. Um, I mean I feel like the ratingscantlet, is best for like a movie that's sort of like down the middle and we're like, do we like it? Do we not? Would we recommend it? Would we the three questions are is, do we recommend it? Is it rewatchable and what's the rating out of ten? And, and I just hate to say it, but this is pretty obvious. Yeah, the answer, uh, I would. I would watch it, I would recommend it. I gave it a tent. Yeah, that's pretty obviously there there. There have been less than five tens on the show in our hundred episodes of existing, but if this isn't one, I'll be fucking damn part yeah, I guess I would have to concur. It feel wrong to give this anything else. I wouldn't like you any less if you didn't. I won't judge you. Be that as it may, I gotta do it for Uncle Steve. Oh, yeah, it's it's it's truly something special. Is this the first? Is this the first unanimous three way ten a movie has gotten? Did you give it a Tan track? I'm about to yes, yes, yes, yes, Tim Um. No, no, that's unanimous. But is this his best movie? No, I don't think so. There was a moment where I thought, I love this, but durassic parks better. Mm Hmm, seeing Jurassic Park, that was one of those. That was another one of those where it was groundbreaking when you saw it for the first time. Yeah, I can only imagine being alive during that. Yeah, taking it for the first time, it was just really unbelievable, because they really created dinosaurs. Yeah, but I can't. I can't because it's apples and oranges. It's apples and oranges exactly. I can't compare it because just this, I think, because it means so much to me on other levels that I couldn't even like if I'm not gonna. I'M NOT gonna. If we cover Jurassic Park, I don't that we'll get a dinosaur to come on. Like, there's a velociraptor from Toronto. He's there, is he just joined the zoom call? I'm impressed. You...

...know people dinosaurs too, on such short notice. Blue, this isn't you. Sorry, sorry, you made a promise to a dinosaur. You saw the new Jurassic World? Yeah, but not the new. No, we haven't. It's pretty terrible. I don't know why you always give Jeff Goldblum an Australian accent, though he really doesn't sound like that. That's just like my movie Guy, accent guy in movie Um, but Chris Pratt is able to control velociraptors just by sticking his hand out, and then he like blue. What's it's? It's IT'S A it's a based on it's a form of mutual respect. Isn't that what they call it? Like, yeah, know, he's friends with the velociraptor. Yeah, the vicious killing monsters. It's pretty awesome. Well, I did want to go see because I do love Jeff Goldblum. I do love him, Um, but something happened that weekend that we were when it first came out. Sometimes I'd like to go and like the weekend that it's coming out, just to kind of be part of like what the rest of the world is doing, you know, and I get excited Um for opening weekend. But something was happening. I didn't go to opening weekend and then it just kind of fell to the Blackburn and we end to go. We almost covered it on the show and then our guests dropped out Um pretty uh soon before we were supposed to record. And as much as I would have liked to have talked to the guest, I think I would have felt bad like obliterating the movie that he'd done so much hard work on. I have one uh like point that can tie us back into jaws about durassic world. Dominion and that Durressic World Dominions. I described it to you between Laura Dern and Um and Dr Alan Grant. What's The actor's name for Alan Grant? Yeah, UH, well, Sam Samuel. Okay, so it's not important, but I said that that in dressing World Dominion there's a very spicy middle aged romance between those two characters and there's also a very spicy middle aged romance in this film jaws, between Chief Brody and Ellen Brody, which I think like. They're so cute and I find it interesting to think about in the book how it's such a big part subplot that got cut about part. Don't know if you know this, but she the fair right. Yes, it's like a huge deal that she cheats on brody with hooper before they all got to the boat together. So you, as a reader, are looking at all of their time spent together on the boat. Is like a big lie. Um and during the dinner scene of the movie today when he's talking about his oh my husband says you're in sharks and then he tells his whole story about like when he's on the boat and he got and it got eaten. As a kid, I couldn't help but think that he's trying to impress her and that there's the subtext, if you read the book, of that he's trying to swoon her in a way. But there was no time for you know, don't just love a movie that's like a little bit over two hours long and that's it's the movie is two hours four minutes, but a bing by a boom, it's pretty awesome. Do you wanna bring us out? was that to me or to your mom Um? It was originally to you, and I was like, I don't think you know what to say, so part with you. You start bringing us out and then I'll whisper her some some helpful hints, I'm sure. So I guess I'll bring us out and give hints as to what, where we're supposed to what answers we're supposed to give to certain questions. But Um, thank you so much to our guest, Mrs Al Ghare, Trent's mom, now officially a friend of the show. Before you're a friend off the show. Yeah, you're on now, you're in a you're part of an exclusive club. Um, and if you if you come on the show five times like Jackson, you get a gold a gold jacket, so like S N L um five times. Yeah, exactly, I'd like it. Um. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on. You can listen to us, Trent. Do you want to ask? You tell your mom where we can listen to you? Spotify, apple podcast, wherever podcast you can lift, you can listen to them on spotify, apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Wow, that's crazy that you knew that, um. And then also you can, uh, probably you should follow us on our social media, which we have, instagram and twitter, the relevant and there will be a picture posted of Trent Justice Cooper. Yes, that to you, guys.

I did not forget. If there's any other family history jaws related photos that you stumble across along the way, those would also be that would be that I've appreciated. Like when we released our dark night episode, we had all the pictures of me in various stages of my life dressed up. Remember you calling me and asking for with Batman. And I feel like there's definitely some shark stuff, like me standing in between a shark Straw Jenkinson's aquarium or something like that. I'll see what I can do. Yeah, I think there is a picture of me from that summer? Or Oh, the summer you went? Yeah, or like us, at Universal Studios when I was twelve. I'm sure there was a jaws picture taken there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so we got that. I think we got so go look at our instagram. We'll post really cool things and should give us a few five stars and reading and he should give them a review, five stars and a rating. W'll be appreciate it and from his mother. And tell your friends about the show. It really does help. And tell your friends about the show, because it really does help. It really does. Guys, Um, and you heard it from Mrs Al Gharres, so like, who else do you need to hear it from? You know, Um, is that it? Next week, join us for jaws too, the best jaws movie. Okay, earlier I thought you were talking about that. It was going to be tonight, and that's why I was like, Oh, I'm gonna exit stage lap, but I thought we were going to discuss all four films. Yeah, no, Trent and I don't have that kind of stamina. Yeah, M Hmm. Yeah, generally after we do either an hour and a half discussion like this or an interview that we're quite stressed for. One of us will text the other that we have sweat quite a bit and that we're like exhausted, and so the thought of doing them back to back is pretty much scientifically impossible. I think I've ever once done an interview and then had to record an episode for scheduling purposes. Podcasting is a contrasting sport. Little known fact what podcasting as a contact sport? ANYWAYS, Um, go rate US UH five stars, go give us a good review, go follow our social media. Come next week for jaws to Trent and I will discuss the much loved sequel. And now we're reaching I've never seen any of these movies before, so these will be first time views on my part. We sure to check be sure to check out MRS TAFT IN JAWS too. Oh yes, and vote in your local elections, or the mayor we'll still be jaws. Or the mayor from jaws will still be the mayor in jaws three. If we don't, if we don't do something about it and go to the polls, guys, the FBI is rated trump's house. There was something to do with nuclear codes, which is kind of terrifying. That's like bigger even like the whole thing is terrifying, but then we're even going to the next level of terror. Um So Y. Join US next week to find out if the former president is behind bars, which let's hope. So. All right, bye, guys, bye bye. Thank you.

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